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Default 11-06-2012, 12:14 PM

With RBs you need our flash for proper fueling. Almost no one needs the 3.5 bar map sensor, though.


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Default 11-06-2012, 12:16 PM

Ah I see. Is it still safe to run RBs without the BMS Flash?

I was hoping to run the G5 ISO + E85 with the big twins.
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Default 11-06-2012, 12:19 PM

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Ah I see. Is it still safe to run RBs without the BMS Flash?

I was hoping to run the G5 ISO + E85 with the big twins.
Nope, that isn't going to work on the fueling end. Your only hope of running RBs without the flash would be one of our meth kits to help fill in the fueling gap.


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Default 11-06-2012, 12:21 PM

Damn, I was thinking the E85 would fill in the fueling gap in place of meth. I guess the dyno chart with E85 and RBs was with the backend flash?

So there's no chance of running larger turbos on pump gas
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Default 11-06-2012, 12:24 PM

Sure, if you don't mind making 430whp. If you expect anything over 450whp on E85 you'll need the flash. Maybe you could do 475rw on MS109 instead of E85 if you really wanted to waste your time trying to push things without the flash.


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Default 11-06-2012, 12:25 PM

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Nope, that isn't going to work on the fueling end. Your only hope of running RBs without the flash would be one of our meth kits to help fill in the fueling gap.
i got the 3 bar adapter on the way...flash next month...So I guess they run out of fuel and lean out without the flash? Guess I will have to take it easy until I get the flash lol!!


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Default 11-06-2012, 12:27 PM

Meth masks many of the fueling problems. But if the plan is E85 only then you MUST have the flash to attempt to make any sort of serious power. Many stock turbo guys need the flash just to properly fuel at the 420rw level on E85.


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Default 11-06-2012, 12:41 PM

Well I'm sure 450-475whp on race gas isn't anything to scoff about or deemed a complete waste of time. I'll patiently wait for a more integrated approach then, jb5 (?lol).

The HPFP still seems to be the one factor limiting the N54 platform.

EDIT- I'm just paranoid of meth in the boot.

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Default 11-06-2012, 01:56 PM

Hello N54ers,

So quick questions. I am planning on going ISO with my G5 board this weekend. To get things straight. I cut the two little diodes from the board and upload the ISO HEX with the new interface found on the JB4 sticky. Then after I have uploaded the new firmware I select G5 ISO 1m/335is (since i have a 1m) and then hit restore defaults? or do i not hit restore defaults.

Also with the new interface do i still have to manually set lag fix, pid gain, pid damper, and wastage adaption value? If I do have to do them manually are they the same for the 1M as opposed to a normal n54? If not do these get uploaded when restore defaults button is hit?

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Default 11-06-2012, 03:04 PM

run 50/50 in the trunk and its perfectly safe. I just got mine installed and im addicted!! If i was gonna do i all again, i would just go JB G5 ISO, ********* *** and meth.. All you need in my opinion for serious power increases


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Default 11-06-2012, 05:02 PM

Hello N54ers,

So quick questions. I am planning on going ISO with my G5 board this weekend. To get things straight. I cut the two little diodes from the board and upload the ISO HEX with the new interface found on the JB4 sticky. Then after I have uploaded the new firmware I select G5 ISO 1m/335is (since i have a 1m) and then hit restore defaults? or do i not hit restore defaults.

Also with the new interface do i still have to manually set lag fix, pid gain, pid damper, and wastage adaption value? If I do have to do them manually are they the same for the 1M as opposed to a normal n54? If not do these get uploaded when restore defaults button is hit?

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Default 11-06-2012, 05:13 PM

Yes cut the diodes, upload the ISO firmaware, select 1M and then restore to default, you need to change also the specified values on the G5 ISO thread, that's it (I got a 1M too, is the same for normal n54) You can put the lag fix to 80 it's ok.
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Default 11-06-2012, 05:56 PM

With the new interface G5 ISO 1M is now an option so that will have all the correct defaults.


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Default 11-06-2012, 07:28 PM

So let me get this straight. With the new interface I only cut the diodes, upload the firmware, select 1M from the drop down menu and then hit "restore defaults"?

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Default 11-07-2012, 03:37 AM

Any firmware updates for this one in the works?


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Default 11-07-2012, 04:50 PM

No G4 firmware in the works at this time. All recently development has been on the G5 ISO related to features that only work on that board. But as we release new features, etc, that are compatible with the G4 board we'll definitely continue to keep the G4 firmware up to date.


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Default 11-07-2012, 06:10 PM

I figured as much


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Default 11-08-2012, 12:00 AM

I don't like this new G5. It's like it's the new baby that gets all the attention and now my normal Jb4 is the middle child that gets ignored.

I still think a 0-60 timer even if it wasn't horribly accurate would be very well received.
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Default 11-08-2012, 01:54 AM

Anyone running the G5 iso board with a 5 series e60, or is this not possible? I keep hearing about selecting 1M or 335is but I am trying to understand this better.
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Default 11-08-2012, 06:52 AM

Hello,

I believe that running the G5 with an e60 you select the regular G5 settings since the car is a normal N54 or if your running it with isolated boost then G5 iso. Email terry and double check with him
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Default 11-08-2012, 05:14 PM

I have a 08 535i and running G5 iso.
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Default 11-08-2012, 05:58 PM

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I have a 08 535i and running G5 iso.
What other mods are you running?
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Default 11-08-2012, 06:46 PM

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What other mods are you running?

My mods so far: JB4 g5 iso, BMS DCI, BMS WW meth kit, Terry's DIY kickdown blocker.
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Default 11-08-2012, 06:48 PM

Wowsa, got mine in tonight. Only running map 1 until I get my ********* back on. Feels amazing
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Default 11-08-2012, 07:08 PM

Can't wait to try rev C with my MT! The iso is awesome at wot but low throttle has been giving me problems and I'm really hoping rev c will smooth that out. Will provide some logs when i get home from my travels. Really cool that Terry keeps the progress going so fast. Can't wait to getback to my car. This rental is such a pos, loll!


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