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Default 08-19-2015, 05:27 AM

From your other thread:
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The point of the post was to clearly illustrate that 2" is far from ideal.

Obviously it can be pulled into position, but not without having to "give" in areas… and if you believe it will not give and the engine block and firewall will instead we are not here to convince you otherwise.

We have the right to disclaim components at will that we do not feel meet sound engineering design standards. This certainly qualifies as one of those situations, unfortunately.
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So the standard OEM intakes are approved for usage on your turbos, which are more restrictive. Yet any other offering that is less restrictive, but may compress are not approved for usage?
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The OEM units maybe restrictive but they have flow uniformity. Use of the OEM inlets is AOK and has been for 6 years.
So given that you are conceding that these inlets also have a "squish" area thus using your own words, do not meet sound engineering standards & will also create unnecessary turbulance in the intake, you must not approve of your own inlets in the same manner that you cannot "approve" the use of VTT inlets with your turbos.

You are a hypocrite! Double standards much?
Either approve them both, or neither.
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Few questions Rob:
What thickness will the silicon be?
Do they have some sought of reinforcement like wire embedded?
Will they have the RB logo printed on at least the front pipe?
Do you need to remove ********/********* to install the rear inlet/clamp? Im RHD also, steering colum obviously makes things a bit more tricky?
Wall thickness- 6mm
Wire reinforcement- Yes
RB Logo- If so will be in locations not visible once installed
RHD compatibility- Yes, zero interference as these do not run in the columns steering location
Install methods- numerous


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From your other thread:

So given that you are conceding that these inlets also have a "squish" area thus using your own words, do not meet sound engineering standards & will also create unnecessary turbulance in the intake, you must not approve of your own inlets in the same manner that you cannot "approve" the use of VTT inlets with your turbos.

You are a hypocrite! Double standards much?
Either approve them both, or neither.
Thanks for your constructive criticism and sound logic. By this notion, squish is squish. So for if example you have 1mm squish you may as well have 20mm squish, as the distortion is all the same. Appreciate the kind words.


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Default 08-19-2015, 07:12 AM

Will the 5 series guys have confirmation of fitment before payment is required?

Are you concerned about "the squish" at the firewall and engine movement, wearing the silicon down over time?


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Will the 5 series guys have confirmation of fitment before payment is required?

Are you concerned about "the squish" at the firewall and engine movement, wearing the silicon down over time?
We will work out something that logistically makes sense for the 5 series guys when ready. Most likely we will be looking for someone willing to take a risk to install for some incentive. If anyone fits that bill shoot us an email as soon as we get a sample we are ready to order, which is our #1 priority at the moment. This is why the 5 series guys are on a separate list right now, as they are in a "holding pattern" pending outcomes. We certainly are not looking to take 5 series guys funds with the uncertainty we have already disclosed.

Another reason to avoid overly squish is excess wear over time, however, we do believe that this hose is not going to easily fail in that regard. You'll see what I mean when or if you hold it eventually. It is some very thick tough stuff. But well agree that it is yet another reason to ensure the best possible fitment. The picture provided a bit earlier shows just how well ours fits through that tight "squish" area with very little compromise, even at the smaller diameter we have chosen.

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Default 08-19-2015, 07:43 AM

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Added.

While we are idly awaiting the front inlet tube I decided to take a picture of our rear inlet through what we have referred to the as the "squish area". As you can see via the picture even the 1.75" ID hose is still somewhat of an interference fit, but it appears that the "squish" (that still exists) is minimal. Of course the larger the hose, the worse this will be.

This is with the following mods (to reduce squish):
1) Rear OEM inlet support bracket removed.
2) Firewall heat shielding pried back to provide a bit more clearance.

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Hi Rob

Wouldn't it make sense not to have any squish at all, I mean is it not possible to send the rear hose back as well and have the issue fixed before the orders are shipped out to us?
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Wouldn't it make sense not to have any squish at all, I mean is it not possible to send the rear hose back as well and have the issue fixed before the orders are shipped out to us?
The only way to "fix" this is reduce yet again the size of the hose. We feel we are at a good compromise with the size we have chosen, and the picture is very telling of why that is...

We have disclosed very clearly what we are offering here and have shown pictures showing the fitment and we believe it is very good. It should be evident we are not looking to kick this out the door, by our continual changes we are making with the front inlet.

But by all means if someone still feels the 1.75" is intolerable, then certainly do not order a 2" setup, and we can remove you from the list. Perhaps someday someone else will offer you a 1.5" just to ensure there is clearance around the entire tube, but we really do not think it will be us. Ultimately I feel we already have the absolute best compromise that can be had from a setup like this.

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Default 08-19-2015, 08:18 AM

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The only way to "fix" this is reduce yet again the size of the hose. We feel we are at a good compromise with the size we have chosen, and the picture is very telling of why that is...

We have disclosed very clearly what we are offering here and have shown pictures showing the fitment and we believe it is very good. It should be evident we are not looking to kick this out the door, by our continual changes we are making with the front inlet.

But by all means if someone still feels the 1.75" is intolerable, then certainly do not order a 2" setup, and we can remove you from the list. Perhaps someday someone else will offer you a 1.5" just to ensure there is clearance around the entire tube, but we really do not think it will be us. Ultimately I feel we already have the absolute best compromise that can be had from a setup like this.

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I understand, but what if you kept the area but instead of making it round made it ellipse shaped would that not ensure the clearance back there?
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I understand, but what if you kept the area but instead of making it round made it ellipse shaped would that not ensure the clearance back there?
The extremely minor squish we are dealing with here probably is not even affecting the ID (see picture), but if it was, it would be just that an ever so slight ellipse. Trust me in saying that we are looking out for making a nice upgrade here, if we were not, we would've just ran with making it in 2".

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Default 08-19-2015, 12:17 PM

One of the first things I did when I started modding my 135, was to have custom inlets created using aluminum. Even though I didn't dyno for comparison, there's no question that they did have a positive affect on my OEM turbos and HP.

We cut out the stock rear tube to get it out, created as much clearance as possible modifying the firewall and removing the old bracket. The narrow space that was still there was accomodated by making the tube a bit flatter there. We were welding sections of the aluminum tube, and thus the flow was not ideal, but it was clearly better than stock. These inlets contributed to making enough power to run my fast 1/4 mile times, I'm positive of it.

These new, smooth-path inlets are so much better, that a little squish should make no difference at all. The only problem I see is why didn't I think of them?!


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Thanks for your constructive criticism and sound logic. By this notion, squish is squish. So for if example you have 1mm squish you may as well have 20mm squish, as the distortion is all the same. Appreciate the kind words.
Confirm the amount of squish you have then. 1mm would not be visible to the naked eye. its obviously significant enough for you to feel the need to call out. However now that you know yours are victim to a 'squish' i'm sure you'll now have come up with an acceptable allowance that coincidentally yours falls within.

it seems pretty clear that your initial post to say squish is unacceptable was purely to deter buyers from VTT, you've never denied that you wanted to impact his market share.

Do the right thing dude, just confirm that ANY inlets (with filters) are acceptable for use with your turbos and stop trying to use the supposed VTT squish as a possible excuse for trying to move blame away from some of the dodgy turbos that have been coming to light recently.
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First time poster here. Can you add me to the list if it's not too late for adapters as well?
Added.

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Confirm the amount of squish you have then. 1mm would not be visible to the naked eye. its obviously significant enough for you to feel the need to call out. However now that you know yours are victim to a 'squish' i'm sure you'll now have come up with an acceptable allowance that coincidentally yours falls within.

it seems pretty clear that your initial post to say squish is unacceptable was purely to deter buyers from VTT, you've never denied that you wanted to impact his market share.

Do the right thing dude, just confirm that ANY inlets (with filters) are acceptable for use with your turbos and stop trying to use the supposed VTT squish as a possible excuse for trying to move blame away from some of the dodgy turbos that have been coming to light recently.
I have taken some time to work with this on the boroscope. I can tell you that it is very difficult to see anything, let alone measure anything, with black smooth walls everywhere. So the only true way to be able to do this is to take simple measurements, the measurement of the area available in the zone… and the OD of the hose. This was all done long ago, and which is one big reason why we went with the size we did. As always appreciate your non-antagonistic approach, but if you want to believe that a 2" ID silicone hose fits better than a 1.75" ID silicone hose… you may as well believe a 5" ID silicone hose will fit the same. Pictures have been posted, you are not happy with it we get it. But it is what it is.

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Default 08-19-2015, 08:31 PM

Put me down please. Can the pcv heating adaptor be bought by itself? I already have recirc bungs


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Rob, is it possible to rotate the PCV heater 180 degrees so it will face my BMS OCC? Will the wiring still reach? The reason I ask is I'd like remove that u-turn in the OCC hose and go straight into the inlet.
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No adapters (Option 1) $250 Includes 2 inlet tubes and 4 stainless worm clamps for air box and compressor side interface.
Adapters (Option 2) $300 Includes option 1 PLUS 3 custom CNC adapters (2 recirc bungs, 1 PCV heater element seat/stainless ring), silicone blanking caps (for recircs), and 3 stainless worm clamps customized for the adapters.

Those who are in please note if you want the adapter options or not as well


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IMPORTANT NOTE FOR THE 5 Series guys:

Doing some last minute due diligence we have found that the OEM inlets for the 5 series show a different part number. What this means about fitment of these inlets on a 5 series leaves us uncertain. Obviously a test fitment will be necessary to make any further confirmations. Hopefully this list does not contain many 5 series customers otherwise there could be some upsets with pressing forward only to find they do NOT fit. What we do know is that other offerings have claimed theirs fit on all models and thus we suspect ours will the same, but feel that it is worth pointing out now rather than later.

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Put me down please. Can the pcv heating adaptor be bought by itself? I already have recirc bungs
It is the same cost either way, so you can just discard the ones we send if you like yours better.

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Rob, is it possible to rotate the PCV heater 180 degrees so it will face my BMS OCC? Will the wiring still reach? The reason I ask is I'd like remove that u-turn in the OCC hose and go straight into the inlet.
For custom applications, you can always buy whatever preformed silicone hose you wish and adjoin to our provision via an insert and clamps and angle/direct/guide the hose however you wish. But they will come as pictured, the rest of the custom work is up to you.



UPDATE: Version 3 front hose is due in by tonight. Hopefully this goes well. If so we will open up GB payment for Saturday-Wednesday and the GB will be closed thereafter (aside for the 5 series guys on this list now, who will wait in limbo until further notice). We would like to place our order by latest Thursday next week, again, all provided we are happy with our latest sample. If not back around we go again.


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Rob, are these inlets less intrusive to install than TFT inlets? And does the same thing I presume..? Mine is RHD N54


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Rob, are these inlets less intrusive to install than TFT inlets? And does the same thing I presume..? Mine is RHD N54
Today or tonight we will get some good pictures (hopefully) of the finished production units. There have been several pictures posted in the thread already sporadically throughout.

They are less intrusive as they run in the OEM locations and are obviously much cheaper, but they are also just a couple silicone hoses and adapters vs. a handcrafted stainless system as well.


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Pictures (rear unit is production ready, front is not in picture):
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http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=499


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Today or tonight we will get some good pictures (hopefully) of the finished production units. There have been several pictures posted in the thread already sporadically throughout.

They are less intrusive as they run in the OEM locations and are obviously much cheaper, but they are also just a couple silicone hoses and adapters vs. a handcrafted stainless system as well.
So I presume even for RHD cars, the steering col issue will not apply as with TFT inlets?

Will you have an install guide as well for RHD cars?

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