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Default 05-02-2017, 05:06 PM

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What map you running?

Have you changed the default values?

Your the only one who has posted any positive (or other wise) usage of a jb4 on mppsk

I'm on the fence between jb4 and jb+
I run Map 6 since I prefer its consistency, being an absolute target map. I also have the FF connector and EWG connector. Yes, I am running slightly modified settings from default.

If you don't feel like logging and monitoring gauges, get the JB+. I, personally, like monitoring the crap out of my cars and also tweaking things on my own. So I went straight to the JB4.

After owning one on my N54, I can't see not owning a BMW with a JB4, probably for the rest of my life. It's that much fun.


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Default 05-09-2017, 10:44 AM

There is a map 6?

Its not listed at the beginning of the thread??

Im settled on getting JB4 for the logging.

Curious if you have the intake..

Also did you ever Dyno the car?

Lastly any loss or change in he exhaust tone or burbling ?
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I run Map 6 since I prefer its consistency, being an absolute target map. I also have the FF connector and EWG connector. Yes, I am running slightly modified settings from default.

If you don't feel like logging and monitoring gauges, get the JB+. I, personally, like monitoring the crap out of my cars and also tweaking things on my own. So I went straight to the JB4.

After owning one on my N54, I can't see not owning a BMW with a JB4, probably for the rest of my life. It's that much fun.

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Default 05-09-2017, 07:47 PM

Map 6 is currently not supported. PM me if you are interested in running it.

I do not have an aftermarket intake, nor have I dyno'd yet. Trying to find time, I guess.

The JB4 does not affect the exhaust burble, whatsoever. I run Map 0 occasionally just for kicks and there is no change. You can actually log in Map 0, which you could not do with the N54 JB4. It's useful to see what the stock tuning is doing and targeting.


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Default 05-14-2017, 04:42 PM

I'm also running a 340i MPPSK with a JB4 on map 1. Apparently, my fuel trims are a bit high.

Can you provide links to the FF & EWG connectors you purchased? Terry mentioned a fuel pressure control connector in the earlier post - is this the FF connector or something else?

Just trying to come up to speed on this. Thanks.

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I run Map 6 since I prefer its consistency, being an absolute target map. I also have the FF connector and EWG connector. Yes, I am running slightly modified settings from default.

If you don't feel like logging and monitoring gauges, get the JB+. I, personally, like monitoring the crap out of my cars and also tweaking things on my own. So I went straight to the JB4.

After owning one on my N54, I can't see not owning a BMW with a JB4, probably for the rest of my life. It's that much fun.
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Default 05-14-2017, 05:56 PM

Supposedly all jb4 units now come with the flex fuel wires...did yours come with any additional wires not connected ?

Hooks up to the fuel pressure sensor ....

Where no idea ....I have yet to find any docs on this... (I'm still on the fence getting jb4 having mppsk also)



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I'm also running a 340i MPPSK with a JB4 on map 1. Apparently, my fuel trims are a bit high.

Can you provide links to the FF & EWG connectors you purchased? Terry mentioned a fuel pressure control connector in the earlier post - is this the FF connector or something else?

Just trying to come up to speed on this. Thanks.
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Default 05-14-2017, 06:31 PM

Thanks, man. I'll have to ask the shop that did the install, but I haven't gotten any unused wires.

Now trying to figure out what this EWG connector is all about and if I need that as well.

Honestly, thought this was going to be much more of a plug and play and forget it, at least for map 1.

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Supposedly all jb4 units now come with the flex fuel wires...did yours come with any additional wires not connected ?

Hooks up to the fuel pressure sensor ....

Where no idea ....I have yet to find any docs on this... (I'm still on the fence getting jb4 having mppsk also)
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Default 05-14-2017, 07:39 PM

Fuel trims are going to be high/maxed out on the B58. That is just how its tuning works.

The FF connector is used for PPK applications running higher E85 mixtures where trims are so high AFR is going significantly lean, and the EWG connector is used to correct for throttle closure caused by throttle modifications, or those with WMI kits to increase dutycycle.

Anyone running pump gas on a mostly stock car does not need either.


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Default 05-14-2017, 07:44 PM

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If you don't feel like logging and monitoring gauges, get the JB+. I, personally, like monitoring the crap out of my cars and also tweaking things on my own. So I went straight to the JB4.
This is pretty bad advice. The JB4 is a much more powerful and flexibility tuning solution than the JB+ with minimal extra installation effort and cost. Most customers running a JB4 will NEVER do a datalog or ever change a single setting. Some won't update its firmware for years if at all.

You get a lot more with the JB4 than anything else out there for the platform and that appeals to people who like logging, extensive modification, changing things often, etc, but those are a minority of our customer base.


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Default 05-14-2017, 08:26 PM

Thanks, Terry.

I have a 340i MPPSK with down pipe and intake running map 1.

I've posted my logs here and also sent you an email:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46863

I am not planning on supplementing with E85 unless I have to. If possible though, I would like to use map 2 in the future. Will the flex fuel wires make it run better/safer and help with timing, even if I only stay with 93 octane? Do I also need the EWG connector?

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Fuel trims are going to be high/maxed out on the B58. That is just how its tuning works.

The FF connector is used for PPK applications running higher E85 mixtures where trims are so high AFR is going significantly lean, and the EWG connector is used to correct for throttle closure caused by throttle modifications, or those with WMI kits to increase dutycycle.

Anyone running pump gas on a mostly stock car does not need either.
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Default 05-14-2017, 09:04 PM

The B58 FF and EWG Wires are hidden here: http://www.burgertuning.com/N55_JB4_upgrades.html

or here:

http://www.burgertuning.com/N20_N26_JB4_upgrades.html


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Default 05-14-2017, 09:18 PM

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Honestly, thought this was going to be much more of a plug and play and forget it, at least for map 1.
Honestly, I think the B58 JB4 should still be labeled as "BETA." Here are a few reasons off the top of my head:
  1. No current good tuning workarounds to negate the "fuel cap/ceiling" (anywhere on the market)
  2. Even Map 1 can be quite choppy and not smooth (in my experience)
  3. FF Wires/Connector not included in kit
  4. EWG Wires/Connector not included in kit
  5. FF/EWG Wires/Connector "upgrades" hidden on burgertuning.com
  6. Installation location/placement of JB4 housing could be more thought out and professional. A bracket of some sort would be very nice, especially since it does not fit so nicely and discretely like the N54 JB4 did in its DME enclosure.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything better on the market right now. I am also a loyal BMS customer for many reasons. But I do think there could be a little more attention to detail on the B58. Especially since the B58 JB4 has been out for so long now.


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Default 05-15-2017, 05:40 AM

1. Its a limitation unfortunately we are working with on the platform. Hard to ding them.
2. Is this why you went to map 6? Curious what you mean choppy? (Im still contemplating as a potential buyer)
3. Its odd on that page you provided it states it comes with current harness... They should update if that is not the case and attach instructions where to plug in.
4. I guess this could be acceptable since its only used under a few circumstances - again my comment on a FAQ or comprehensive manual would put that to bed. It would then be seen as an upgrade rather than some mysterious cable that fixes all unknown problems in the universe. Forums are great for conversations but lead to threads like this. I might be purchasing rather than lurking...
5. Not sure if you saw, but some are routing it to the passenger side which fits nicely...

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Honestly, I think the B58 JB4 should still be labeled as "BETA." Here are a few reasons off the top of my head:
  1. No current good tuning workarounds to negate the "fuel cap/ceiling" (anywhere on the market)
  2. Even Map 1 can be quite choppy and not smooth (in my experience)
  3. FF Wires/Connector not included in kit
  4. EWG Wires/Connector not included in kit
  5. FF/EWG Wires/Connector "upgrades" hidden on burgertuning.com
  6. Installation location/placement of JB4 housing could be more thought out and professional. A bracket of some sort would be very nice, especially since it does not fit so nicely and discretely like the N54 JB4 did in its DME enclosure.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything better on the market right now. I am also a loyal BMS customer for many reasons. But I do think there could be a little more attention to detail on the B58. Especially since the B58 JB4 has been out for so long now.
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Default 05-15-2017, 06:32 AM

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3. Its odd on that page you provided it states it comes with current harness... They should update if that is not the case and attach instructions where to plug in.
The pages I listed are referring to N55 and N20. There is currently no reference to FF/EWG wires on any B58 pages.


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Default 05-15-2017, 08:33 AM

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The pages I listed are referring to N55 and N20. There is currently no reference to FF/EWG wires on any B58 pages.
LOL.. reaffirms your points... Thanks for providing so much info!

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Hey guys my 2017 440i has the MPPK kit, we did 12.44 at the track with **. As 12.44 seems to be in line with a lot of guys with the same upgrade. The upgraded exhaust looks amazing. I'm not sure if the money is worth the gain or not though. I'm pretty sure I'll be adding meth next from BMS. As that seems to be the next big upgrade for me!
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What was your trap speed?

Got any logs?


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I feel like there is definitely something to gain if your running quality 93 octane gas or higher for B58 w/ MPPSK & JB4. I uploaded some logs in the support section and hope to get some feedback but inital impression is JB4 takes you up a notch and really turns this motor into a beast in combination with MPPSK.

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Default 06-03-2017, 01:31 PM

My car is running like garbage after the JB4 addition - that includes Map 0 and Map 4.

The only difference is I believe is I have the flexfuel wires - (for future E).

Acceleration is choppy in all maps even Map 0 and 4... Around town driving its fine.. no difference but when you get on it in Map 0,1,4 choppy/inconsistent..


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I feel like there is definitely something to gain if your running quality 93 octane gas or higher for B58 w/ MPPSK & JB4. I uploaded some logs in the support section and hope to get some feedback but inital impression is JB4 takes you up a notch and really turns this motor into a beast in combination with MPPSK.

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My car is running like garbage after the JB4 addition - that includes Map 0 and Map 4.

The only difference is I believe is I have the flexfuel wires - (for future E).

Acceleration is choppy in all maps even Map 0 and 4... Around town driving its fine.. no difference but when you get on it in Map 0,1,4 choppy/inconsistent..
Post some logs and I'll look at them for you.


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Thanks.. put them in the support section..

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Hey guys my 2017 440i has the MPPK kit, we did 12.44 at the track with **. As 12.44 seems to be in line with a lot of guys with the same upgrade. The upgraded exhaust looks amazing. I'm not sure if the money is worth the gain or not though. I'm pretty sure I'll be adding meth next from BMS. As that seems to be the next big upgrade for me!
best I could manage 13.20 with ppk & **
removed ** & I ran 13.0 - better !!

any1 got 440i with ppk & jb+ ?

E85 what % can we use with ppk & 91 fuel ( im using 10l to a tank ) ?
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E85 what % can we use with ppk & 91 fuel ( im using 10l to a tank ) ?
What engine are you referring to?


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What engine are you referring to?
same B58 440i ..
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