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Default 11-30-2019, 01:53 PM

Terry.
BM3 supports B46/B48.
You think we can get some MINI Support and BEF for our cars?
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Afternoon all. I've just (this minute) picked up a JB4 to use on my B48 Mini. I've done some reading and still a bit unsure on some things. The jb4 came off a B58 BMW M140i and although it has the bluetooth adaptor, does not have the computer attachment. So to install the correct firmware, I plug the JB4 in, link the app to my phone and install the firmware that way? I ask as I've seen some mention of the JB4 auto detects if it is connected to a B38/48/58 and sets the firmware automatically.
If I'm using the bluetooth does the OBD plug need to be in use or can I leave it disconnected? I'll be running map 1 initially until I'm sure all is ok then try map 2.
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Afternoon all. I've just (this minute) picked up a JB4 to use on my B48 Mini. I've done some reading and still a bit unsure on some things. The jb4 came off a B58 BMW M140i and although it has the bluetooth adaptor, does not have the computer attachment. So to install the correct firmware, I plug the JB4 in, link the app to my phone and install the firmware that way? I ask as I've seen some mention of the JB4 auto detects if it is connected to a B38/48/58 and sets the firmware automatically.
If I'm using the bluetooth does the OBD plug need to be in use or can I leave it disconnected? I'll be running map 1 initially until I'm sure all is ok then try map 2.
OBD is not needed. Yes install proper firmware on the first page of this thread with JB4 app and Bluetooth.
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Default BC No response / CEL on - 02-09-2020, 08:39 AM

What am I missing?

I installed a JB4 on my 2013 335i 2+ years ago and LOVE IT!

I attempted to install on my 2017 Mini Countryman S All 4... Attempted being the key word.

Has anyone else ran into this:

Problem: Installed and no response from BC button and the CEL comes on?

I contacted support (Ando replied) and after some diagnosis, I found that only one of the pins from the OBD connector was actually being fed into the 2 pins of the JB4. I provided pictures, explained the issue and was told to ship the cable and unit back ($14 no big deal).

Ando replied that a new unit was on its way. I asked what the issue was he said "replaced cable". I was skeptical because he also said that regardless of the cable, the unit should be defaulted to Map 1 and no CEL.

Received it this weekend, tested the new cable and confirmed that indeed 2 pins were now active from the OBD connector to JB4, so I installed it, started the car..... CEL and no BC button response!

It is the most simple thing to install, 2 connections at the engine, and one to the OBD... I am not an idiot and it really is fool proof...

I am patient because this is a performance upgrade, not a required part (luckily I have the tool to reset CEL). I really want this thing to work.

So what am I doing wrong? Am I the only one who ever encountered this?
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Default 02-10-2020, 10:21 AM

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What am I missing?

I installed a JB4 on my 2013 335i 2+ years ago and LOVE IT!

I attempted to install on my 2017 Mini Countryman S All 4... Attempted being the key word.

Has anyone else ran into this:

Problem: Installed and no response from BC button and the CEL comes on?

I contacted support (Ando replied) and after some diagnosis, I found that only one of the pins from the OBD connector was actually being fed into the 2 pins of the JB4. I provided pictures, explained the issue and was told to ship the cable and unit back ($14 no big deal).

Ando replied that a new unit was on its way. I asked what the issue was he said "replaced cable". I was skeptical because he also said that regardless of the cable, the unit should be defaulted to Map 1 and no CEL.

Received it this weekend, tested the new cable and confirmed that indeed 2 pins were now active from the OBD connector to JB4, so I installed it, started the car..... CEL and no BC button response!

It is the most simple thing to install, 2 connections at the engine, and one to the OBD... I am not an idiot and it really is fool proof...

I am patient because this is a performance upgrade, not a required part (luckily I have the tool to reset CEL). I really want this thing to work.

So what am I doing wrong? Am I the only one who ever encountered this?
If you're already working with Ando, best to keep the support in one place.


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Default 02-14-2020, 08:27 AM

Hi,
What is the current status of B38 engine support for Minis?
I guess a compression ration of 11:1 is one of the main limiting factors in tuning this engine (with temperature at 11:1 CR being about 40 degrees C/100 Fahrenheit higher than at 9.5:1)? Will it be better to install 1-step colder spark plugs? Will RON 98 fuel be enough for ~180 hp map?

Anyway, 170-180 hp is good enough, but there is not much info about JB4 and B38 engine. Is it still actively supported by JB4 (seems to be, as listed here https://burgertuning.com/collections...ni-b38-b48-jb4 , but some posts in this thread made me fell uncertain)?

What factors other then boost pressure are modified by JB4 in a B38 engine?

Also what is the difference in gains and what are limitations when using JB+ box and is it suitable for B38 engine (Here https://burgertuning.com/collections...-install-tuner it is listed in "Applications", but not in a heading)

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Default 02-14-2020, 04:37 PM

Both JB+ and JB4 tuning is supported for the B38! Gains vary based on fuel but around 15%. The JB4 provides a lot more features and tuning options than JB+ but at a higher cost with a little more install effort.


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Default 02-21-2020, 02:36 PM

Hi,
today I got a used jb4 (x55 rev 3.0) for my 2015 F56 JCW.
Which firmware should I use? What are the differences between the two versions on first page?

I am new to jb4. Is there something I have to aware to?
Or just install it, select map 1 or 2 an drive? (my mini is stock)
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Default 02-29-2020, 07:41 PM

Can someone post the most current stable firmware pls??
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Default 04-28-2020, 07:44 PM

Looking to get a JB4 Tune for my 2018 MCS.

A question would be, is this tune still supported?

Also, I know this is the correct product:
https://www.burgertuning.com/collect...ni-b38-b48-jb4

If I buy the optional wireless connection kit, do I need to use the OBDII port at all?

If I use just the app and bluetooth, can I get all the functionality as if using the OBDII port?

Thanks for the help guys!
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Default 05-04-2020, 10:08 PM

Can we get the meth safety added to map 6?
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Default 06-08-2020, 09:25 PM

@terry

Does Map 6 support absolute boost over 10psi on this firmware?

Thanks
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Default 06-09-2020, 12:28 AM

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@terry

Does Map 6 support absolute boost over 10psi on this firmware?

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Which firmware version are you referring to?
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Default 06-09-2020, 05:35 AM

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Which firmware version are you referring to?
Should be the current firmware. At least one of the firmwares posted near the end of the thread. I currently use map 6 at 0psi values with my flash tune so JB4 can monitor and run safeties. (Switch to map 8 - valet, on an event). If you put 1psi then it will add boost. Not sure if I go over 10psi if it will change to absolute boost like it does on the other JB4s.
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Default 06-09-2020, 01:08 PM

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@terry

Does Map 6 support absolute boost over 10psi on this firmware?

Thanks
The basic safety systems are built in to all maps including map6.


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Default 06-09-2020, 02:33 PM

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The basic safety systems are built in to all maps including map6.
Gotcha. Is absolute boost supported over 10psi on Map 6? @terry
So it isn’t load based anymore.
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Default 06-09-2020, 08:41 PM

If RPM1500 is set below 10psi the map6 is additive, otherwise absolute.


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Default 06-10-2020, 11:55 AM

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If RPM1500 is set below 10psi the map6 is additive, otherwise absolute.
@terry
I assume additive and absolute require EWG Cables?
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It will target without EWG tables but may not hit target.


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Default Mini F56 - 06-22-2020, 07:51 AM

Hi, I have a JB4 taken off my old Bmw M135i PWG. Have a 2015 Mini JCW B48 that i was going to fit it to & update the firmware. Noticed the MAP sensor is a smaller plug but with only 3 wires going to it and the one on the JB4 is different with 4 wires on it.
Can this be converted and if so which connector do i buy to replace the one already on the loom and which wire do i delete/change.

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Default 07-06-2020, 10:46 AM

Can you please make more maps, Terry. I feel like I just invested over $600 on an unfinished /underdeveloped product, and it's kind of sad that we aren't getting what we deserve, given that there are other similar engine cars that have a lot more features on their jb4. There were so many questions on this forum that were just left unanswered. We're your customers too. Also, it would be great if you could make a directory of tuners that are proud to work with the JB4 to get the most out of our cars on the dyno.
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Default 07-17-2020, 09:34 AM

Anyone getting an issue of the PIDs freezing/gone when clicking “clear codes”?
Been happening this past month with the new JB4 app and firmware.
After clearing codes, only Map and Boost is displayed, everything is at 0.

I tried disconnecting Bluetooth, killing app, disconnecting OBD2 cable, driving 2 hours and no response. Only fix is to turn car off and back on and everything operates as normal.

Thoughts? @terry @payam @ando

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