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Default VTT Stage 3 x ABR Punisher Built Motor - 03-05-2015, 01:49 PM

The "Punisher" built motor from ABR Houston arrived yesterday. This thread will document the installation, and results as we this project progresses. we want to give a HUGE thanks to Alex over at ABR, one of the best guys in this platform to work with.

Since the production kits are nearing completion rather than continuing to test the limits of the stock motor we will be putting the first Stage 3 kit on this built motor with our GTX2867 option into the shop car. Once we get it all installed, and tested we will then be move onto the new Garrett GTX2871's which have 1100BHP worth of flow.

Things are going to get very interesting!




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Default 03-05-2015, 01:54 PM

Nice. Looking forward to your findings.


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Default 03-05-2015, 01:56 PM

This is so exciting!!!


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Default 03-05-2015, 02:49 PM

What are the specs & price on the new motor?


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Default 03-05-2015, 05:00 PM

interesting should be fun. first to 1k whp
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This is going to be AWESOME!


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More info on the motor specs plz!
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kicking stage 3 down the road a bit more?
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Default 03-06-2015, 01:23 AM

Interested to see your results on the twin GTX2867R's. I'm just wondering if the GTX2871R has the potential to be a mismatch as is the case with the GTX3076R.

On the GTX3076R the turbine wheel can't support the increased flow from the compressor wheel so on paper it can support more hp but in practice there is very little power gain at the expense of some spool. The X2867R seems like a great combination of spool, power and physical size so it may just be the perfect solution...
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Built stroker motor? Sounds interesting


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Default 03-06-2015, 11:23 AM

Just wondering, is it the same compression as a stock motor?


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Default 03-06-2015, 12:41 PM

I wish someone would just find the limits of the stock motor already. It has yet to crater or anything, even with the 900HP kit by motiv, whats to say it would at over 1000?


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Default 03-06-2015, 01:09 PM

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I wish someone would just find the limits of the stock motor already. It has yet to crater or anything, even with the 900HP kit by motiv, whats to say it would at over 1000?
It can blow up at 400whp and probably last a few runs at least at 900whp for all we know. But sooner or later they all blow up at higher power levels.


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It can blow up at 400whp and probably last a few runs at least at 900whp for all we know. But sooner or later they all blow up at higher power levels.
Well yes that's obvious. I just meant when tuned properly and taken care of, what is the limits?


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Default 03-07-2015, 07:33 AM

Alex at abr knows his stuff . Im guessing this motor is 14 -16 k.
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Default 03-07-2015, 11:04 AM

But won't you have the same knock sensor problems that terry is having on his built motor?
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Default 03-09-2015, 10:32 AM

Below is a bit more info about the motor, we'll continue to update this thread as the installation and testing develops. If you have any further questions about the specifications or an interest in getting a similar build for yourself please direct your inquiries to info@abrhouston.com

3.1 liter stroker
9.5:1 compression
JE custom pistons
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ABR head and main studs
CNC ported cylinder head that outflows a similar competitor
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Interested to see your results on the twin GTX2867R's. I'm just wondering if the GTX2871R has the potential to be a mismatch as is the case with the GTX3076R.

On the GTX3076R the turbine wheel can't support the increased flow from the compressor wheel so on paper it can support more hp but in practice there is very little power gain at the expense of some spool. The X2867R seems like a great combination of spool, power and physical size so it may just be the perfect solution...
I have to 100% disagree with you, the GTX3076 is one of the most potent combinations Garrett has offered, and its been proven over and over to flow slightly less than a GTX3582R, while spooling much better. Here they both are tested on the street and the dyno, not exactly paper racing. The GTX3076 spools over 500RPM faster than the GTX3582R, and makes the same power up top. Garrett does not just throw together combos on paper, they test everything. The GTX3076R is not in any way a mismatch, the results prove it. I have no doubt the GTX2871's will be a great turbo once they become available, we will test a set.

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/ga...omparo-part-2/


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I have to 100% disagree with you, the GTX3076 is one of the most potent combinations Garrett has offered, and its been proven over and over to flow slightly less than a GTX3582R, while spooling much better. Here they both are tested on the street and the dyno, not exactly paper racing. The GTX3076 spools over 500RPM faster than the GTX3582R, and makes the same power up top. Garrett does not just throw together combos on paper, they test everything. The GTX3076R is not in any way a mismatch, the results prove it. I have no doubt the GTX2871's will be a great turbo once they become available, we will test a set.

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/ga...omparo-part-2/
I guess its dependent on how tolerant the engine is to backpressure and how important turbine flow is to the overall equation (engines with high VE). For example the Honda VTEC engines (which are my background), do not tolerate backpressure and require a lot of turbine flow/capacity. On this platform the GTX3076R isn't able to produce much more power than the regular GT version due to hitting the flow limit of the turbine wheel (lower than the 600whp rating)

This is partly the reason why Garrett introduced the GTX3576R which delivers excellent results.

On the other hand the VW TFSI engines tolerate backpressure remarkably well and on this engine the GTX3076R is a popular choice and works well.

I believe Garrett will be releasing a GTX2971R shortly which will have the old GT3071 turbine combined with the Billet 71mm exducer comp wheel.

Good luck with your testing
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I guess its dependent on how tolerant the engine is to backpressure and how important turbine flow is to the overall equation (engines with high VE). For example the Honda VTEC engines (which are my background), do not tolerate backpressure and require a lot of turbine flow/capacity. On this platform the GTX3076R isn't able to produce much more power than the regular GT version due to hitting the flow limit of the turbine wheel (lower than the 600whp rating)

This is partly the reason why Garrett introduced the GTX3576R which delivers excellent results.

On the other hand the VW TFSI engines tolerate backpressure remarkably well and on this engine the GTX3076R is a popular choice and works well.

I believe Garrett will be releasing a GTX2971R shortly which will have the old GT3071 turbine combined with the Billet 71mm exducer comp wheel.

Good luck with your testing
Well if you want to talk different motors, then yes different turbos will have vastly different results. You did not specify a motor, you lumped all GTX3076R's into the category of a mismatch, which it is not. I would go with a 3076 over a 3576 all day in a street driven application as good spool is more important to me than every last top end hp. The 29 series turbos should be interesting, but they will most likely be a ways off. Also the N54 tolerates BP better than almost any motor we have seen, we have run them up to extreme levels of BP with no real ill effects. We will see how the testing goes, with a few different turbo choices.


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The bottom pic, is actually the old motor, and old stage 3 parts, we will be putting the production parts on the New motor in the next day or two and will get you guys some updated pics! It wont be too much longer now!


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The bottom pic, is actually the old motor, and old stage 3 parts, we will be putting the production parts on the New motor in the next day or two and will get you guys some updated pics! It wont be too much longer now!
Any updates on this motor man?
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If Tony makes 1100 whp this is going to turn into a transmission solution thread lol
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