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Default 11-18-2018, 12:07 AM

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I'm happy to get you the logs once the JB4 can obtain them. I've been working with Payam to replace what we think is a defective OBD II cable that's been blocking any telemetry (beyond the selected map) for a week or so. We had a few issues beyond our control but the cable arrived earlier today--I've yet to install it.

In the meantime, I wanted to double-check that the _T9 firmware that I downloaded and installed from the 1st post is indeed the latest.
Glad you got the cable!

JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9: Click Here for Firmware -->JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9.hex

Is the latest one on the first post and page of this thread.


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Default 11-18-2018, 01:19 AM

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Default 11-22-2018, 03:46 AM

Hello all. I use last version in my JB4 (JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9.hex) but i set map4 and no see any diference. The engine work with all boost.
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Hello all. I use last version in my JB4 (JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9.hex) but i set map4 and no see any diference. The engine work with all boost.
Post a log if you want me to check it out!


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Default 12-10-2018, 11:13 AM

Heard from one of our Russian shops a new F90 world record!

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Default 12-10-2018, 11:15 AM

(JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9.hex) is last version?
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Highest number is newest firmware.


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Default 12-10-2018, 11:21 AM

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Highest number is newest firmware.
Confused. Or this is latest version?

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Default 12-10-2018, 11:25 AM

T9 is the newest posted.


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T9 is the newest posted.
Ok. So i check logs and send you. Map4 working same another. No limit boost pressure.
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Ok. So i check logs and send you. Map4 working same another. No limit boost pressure.
Not quite following question but yes map4 works as a VALET map per the first post.

Did a quick run tonight in our development car, haven't raced it in awhile. Spun badly off the line with a 1.9 60' but ran ~10.6@137. Damn these cars are fast.

Makes me wonder why I'm wasting my time with the 135i N54 so often.


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These cars are so much fun to race, effortless performance! 2018 F90 M5, JB4, BMS Intake, MS109, Map5.
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These cars are so much fun to race, effortless performance! 2018 F90 M5, JB4, BMS Intake, MS109, Map5.
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When you get a chance, post up the 100-200kph from that pass.
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Funny thing is I was on the way back from somewhere, had a drink in the cup holder. Didn't spill a drop!


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When you get a chance, post up the 100-200kph from that pass.
I've only got the dragy set to record 60-130mph, and it's nothing special. 6.5s on this run. To get optimized 60-130 times you really need to do dedicated runs. One of our Russian customers currently holds the platform record at 6.16s 60-130, 5.31s 100-200kmh.


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When you get a chance, post up the 100-200kph from that pass.
BTW while you're here, a customer emailed and asked me to comment on this post you made regarding our Stage1 F90 tuner, the $449 one, and the RaceChip F90 tuner.

What I think you're missing is that both our Stage1 tuner and RaceChip run the same 10-bit ATOD and DTOA, and both sample fast enough to exceed the resolution of the sensor.

The boost sensors call for a sampling rate of around 200 times per second. Our Stage1 tune is capable of sampling at 2000 times per second, and the RaceChip may be capable of sampling at 20000 times per second, who knows. That's more to do with charging times on the ATOD peripheral than processor bandwidth. But it doesn't matter because the sensor can only change it's output around 200 times per second. With analog signals at these speeds you should not be doing any additional signal level filtering, the ECU already applies a filter algorithm. If you do it on the piggyback side also then you get a lazy signal. Just some inside baseball for you.

Anyway effectively Our Stage1 and the Racechip are identical. They attach to the same 2 sensors and perform the same signal adjustment exceeding the resolution of the sensor. Your suggestion that RaceChip has a faster processor and thus "smoother" tuning is false. You seem to be rather knowledgeable on the technical end so I'm surprised to hear it.

You may prefer Racechip's packaging, interface, boost scaling formula, marketing, or whatever, but running TMAP only tuning on even our Stage1 processor is like using an iPhone 10 to run a calculator app. Way overkill.

And, if their system was so "advanced", they'd offer CANbus, EWG control, etc, etc, like the JB4 does.


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BTW while you're here, a customer emailed and asked me to comment on this post you made regarding our Stage1 F90 tuner, the $449 one, and the RaceChip F90 tuner.

What I think you're missing is that both our Stage1 tuner and RaceChip run the same 10-bit ATOD and DTOA, and both sample fast enough to exceed the resolution of the sensor.

The boost sensors call for a sampling rate of around 200 times per second. Our Stage1 tune is capable of sampling at 2000 times per second, and the RaceChip may be capable of sampling at 20000 times per second, who knows. That's more to do with charging times on the ATOD peripheral than processor bandwidth. But it doesn't matter because the sensor can only change it's output around 200 times per second. With analog signals at these speeds you should not be doing any additional signal level filtering, the ECU already applies a filter algorithm. If you do it on the piggyback side also then you get a lazy signal. Just some inside baseball for you.

Anyway effectively Our Stage1 and the Racechip are identical. They attach to the same 2 sensors and perform the same signal adjustment exceeding the resolution of the sensor. Your suggestion that RaceChip has a faster processor and thus "smoother" tuning is false. You seem to be rather knowledgeable on the technical end so I'm surprised to hear it.

You may prefer Racechip's packaging, interface, boost scaling formula, marketing, or whatever, but running TMAP only tuning on even our Stage1 processor is like using an iPhone 10 to run a calculator app. Way overkill.

And, if their system was so "advanced", they'd offer CANbus, EWG control, etc, etc, like the JB4 does.
“Dinan “ is , ummmmm, interesting. I’ve wasted my last post. I’ve bought two JB’s , two Dinan’s, two RC. I’ve posted many times if they are all set to the same peak psi, they all make the same power. Some have advantages other than that. One being the JB4.....terrific logging and the ability to go beyond a pump fuel tune. Interesting that someone that posts as “Dinan” reached out to you Lol
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I've only got the dragy set to record 60-130mph, and it's nothing special. 6.5s on this run. To get optimized 60-130 times you really need to do dedicated runs. One of our Russian customers currently holds the platform record at 6.16s 60-130, 5.31s 100-200kmh.
With my Dragy, I can switch it after a log to metric and it shows the 100-200kph. Is that inaccurate since it is “after the fact”.
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“Dinan “ is , ummmmm, interesting. I’ve wasted my last post. I’ve bought two JB’s , two Dinan’s, two RC. I’ve posted many times if they are all set to the same peak psi, they all make the same power. Some have advantages other than that. One being the JB4.....terrific logging and the ability to go beyond a pump fuel tune. Interesting that someone that posts as “Dinan” reached out to you Lol
I don't know their handle just the email address, probably that guy asking about our tune in the thread. Anyway as I've said all along the Stage1 tunes are all effectively the same. You'd have to be really bad at designing these things to design one that was subpar in any way.

But I've heard the Racechip guys make this silly claim that faster processor = better Stage1 tuning, and in the context of all of these products it's just obviously false. I expect them to repeat it and less knowledgeable customers to believe it. You seemed like you have a better technical understanding than most so when I read you effectively repeat a similar claim wanted to reach out for the discussion.

FWIW the EWG control and CANbus are handy on pump gas too. But I realize a large segment of the market just wants to install something in literally 1 minute and enjoy solid gains. Which is why we opened up the Stage1 to the F90.


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With my Dragy, I can switch it after a log to metric and it shows the 100-200kph. Is that inaccurate since it is “after the fact”.
Never tried that.. Looks like what I'd expect based on the 6.5s 60-130mph, 5.6s 100-200kmh on the 10.31 run.


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Glad you got the cable!

JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9: Click Here for Firmware -->JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T9.hex

Is the latest one on the first post and page of this thread.

JB4_F90_S63TU_3_T2 is the only firmware currently showing on the first page. Is this the newest one? I don't see the T9 one.
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It is. I renamed them.


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Hello. 2 questions.

Any way to make exhaust flaps permanently open?

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I’m running jb4 map 2 and 3 on my competition with 100 octane fuel. What should I look for in the logs to see if everything is ok?
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On the exhaust flappers not yet, we don't have the commands. We're looking for them though!

Post the logs here and we can confirm all is well. Reading advanced tuning logs is tricky business. Not something we can easily train you on, but there are threads on how to read logs in the N54 log area for example and many of the basic principles are the same.


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