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Default 2013 F10 535 Dyno - 04-26-2013, 02:04 PM

Hey guys,

Was able to dyno a local 2013 F10 535 today. First stock and then with the JB4 installed. Overall I was surprised how much less the F10 made stock and tuned than 335 N55s, for example. But everything looks to be in order accordingly to the logs. Areas under the curve show ~50rw gains. I have a bunch of data to sort through later to see if we can further improve otherwise F10 pump gas performance.

While we had the car on the dyno we also tested our upcoming F10 intake. I can't share the results yet but did 311rw peak with it. Pretty decent gains above 5000rpm considering the very easy install process.
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Default 04-26-2013, 02:42 PM

Man glad I decided to stay with the N54 535 instead of the F10.
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Default 04-26-2013, 08:42 PM

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Man glad I decided to stay with the N54 535 instead of the F10.
+1 Where is 400+whp just with FBO and now 500+whp with RB's

I don't have regrets as well.. N54 rocks


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Default 04-28-2013, 11:14 AM

When will be able to get n54 gains?? I'd like to dyno with e85 and see how much of a difference that's actually making. I might just wait till the intake is released though
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Default 04-29-2013, 08:57 AM

Terry, are you going to create a different map to be used with this intake?

I can't wait for this intake to be available. Let me know if you need testers.


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Default 05-02-2013, 10:05 AM

My 2011 put down 299hp and 330tq with a Stage 1 (missing second CAN bundle under cowl or I'd have a stage 2 :-( )

Anxiously awaiting any other products you will offer for this car. I was able to make the N55 catch can for the 335i work.

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Default 05-02-2013, 10:11 AM

This thread single-highhandedly stopped me from getting a new F10 N55.
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Default 05-02-2013, 11:31 AM

Makes sense when you have a N54 which now can beat a M5 including F10 with the RB's


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Default 05-02-2013, 08:40 PM

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Terry, are you going to create a different map to be used with this intake?

I can't wait for this intake to be available. Let me know if you need testers.
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Default 05-02-2013, 10:51 PM

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+1

Not too much longer!


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My 2011 put down 299hp and 330tq with a Stage 1 (missing second CAN bundle under cowl or I'd have a stage 2 :-( )

Anxiously awaiting any other products you will offer for this car. I was able to make the N55 catch can for the 335i work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5chLLk1nmqw
Thank you for posting this video. I've been wanting to hear the BMW Performance exhaust at high RPM's and is not as loud as I thought it would be. (in a good way)

I will definitely buy this exhaust. I bet that it will sound even better with the BMS intake.


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Default 05-13-2013, 08:49 PM

Are the F10s running into this problem (post #120)

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Default 05-18-2013, 03:49 PM

And then when you factor in the fact that the F10 weighs 300+ pounds more than the e60 535i it is easy to think e60 is the way to go. +300 pounds kills handling and acceleration times. Although, once any car reaches 100mph+ weight has a pretty minimalistic effect on acceleration and the benefits of aerodynamics start kicking in. As a matter of a fact, weight has NO effect on top speed (well maybe 300 pounds makes it .001 mph slower).

Wonder which one has a better drag coefficient?
I believe both cars are pretty damn close to the 50/50 weight distribution though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Looks like the f10 and e60 535i both have a .29 coefficient of drag, meaning aerodynamics are almost exactly alike on the 2 cars. Assuming each car has the same final drive and gear rations they should have very similar top speeds but the e60 should out accelerate the f10 at lower speeds.

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Default 05-18-2013, 04:53 PM

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And then when you factor in the fact that the F10 weighs 300+ pounds more than the e60 535i it is easy to think e60 is the way to go. +300 pounds kills handling and acceleration times. Although, once any car reaches 100mph+ weight has a pretty minimalistic effect on acceleration and the benefits of aerodynamics start kicking in. As a matter of a fact, weight has NO effect on top speed (well maybe 300 pounds makes it .001 mph slower).

Wonder which one has a better drag coefficient?
I believe both cars are pretty damn close to the 50/50 weight distribution though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Looks like the f10 and e60 535i both have a .29 coefficient of drag, meaning aerodynamics are almost exactly alike on the 2 cars. Assuming each car has the same final drive and gear rations they should have very similar top speeds but the e60 should out accelerate the f10 at lower speeds.
This post makes no sense in that it doesn't follow any topic discussed here.

There are tons of F10 vs e90 threads elsewhere.
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This post makes no sense in that it doesn't follow any topic discussed here.

There are tons of F10 vs e90 threads elsewhere.
Yes it does. I was adding on to the point, that someone else stated, F10's produce less power with mods (or more specifically tuners). My point was NOT ONLY are they less powerful but they are also heavier and therefore handle worse.

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This thread single-highhandedly stopped me from getting a new F10 N55.
I'm simply stating some different reasons why the e60 COULD be more desirable performance wise. You calling me out is WAY more off topic than my post.

These threads stay around for years, so in the future maybe someone will read my post and it will help them make the decision of whether they want a n54 or n55 (which was indirectly stated in this thread earlier). Also, for your future, please consider that your post may be even more off topic than the person you are calling out. What do they call these kinds of people? HYPOCRITICAL!!
Oh, and its an e60 (5 series) not an e90 (3 series sedan)!

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Default 05-19-2013, 04:27 AM

Thanks for the clarification Zack. I sincerely apologize. You made some great points.

Ok, let's get back on topic now :D
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Terry I wanted to bring this back up. Any new info on the N55 F10 intake?


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Terry I wanted to bring this back up. Any new info on the N55 F10 intake?
We are in the process of making the mold. It takes about a month. So hopefully we will have a small batch in the next 30 days or so. I will post pics as soon as I get my hands on one of them.


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Default 03-12-2014, 07:26 AM

Have their been any improvements in the expected power output of the JB4 Stage 2 on the F10 N55 cars since Terry originally did this dyno test? I realize the software/firmware has changed, maybe BMS could chime in if they know for sure?

I am considering this for my new-to-me 2011 535i, I loved my JB4 on my 08 335xi and '08 535i, so I never doubted getting a JB for my latest car. The numbers definitely look like it would really increase power feel on the street (since it's all between low RPM and 5.5k RPMs, which is all I care about...I don't race my car).

Just wondering if there has been any improvements in the 10 months since this was posted.

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Default 03-15-2014, 04:46 PM

Also need to point out something is wrong with the scaling of this dyno sheet, since the horsepower and torque are not crossing over at 5252 rpms for the two runs. It's like the numbers are shifted? HP/TQ should never cross at ~4500rpm Hehe

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Also need to point out something is wrong with the scaling of this dyno sheet, since the horsepower and torque are not crossing over at 5252 rpms for the two runs. It's like the numbers are shifted? HP/TQ should never cross at ~4500rpm Hehe

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That is only true if the torque and rpm scales are the same. In this example one is scaled to 350 while the other is 400.


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Terry, do you have any Dino numbers for the stage 2 map 1 & 2?


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Default 03-16-2014, 06:19 AM

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That is only true if the torque and rpm scales are the same. In this example one is scaled to 350 while the other is 400.
True, Russell...which is why I prefer when sheets are not displayed that way. :P I missed the scaling difference for the HP/TQ.

Thanks for clearing up my mistake,

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