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Default 488.5 WHP / 548 WTQ - Dyno Dynamics - 10-29-2014, 06:24 AM

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Default 10-29-2014, 06:33 AM

Holy smokes! 488 whp on a dd is some serious power man... Quickly hook me up with this map man, waiting for your mail to come in!
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Default 10-29-2014, 06:42 AM

Get it on a DynoJet...

I dynoed 342 in my 370z on a dynodynamics dyno at a shop near me, than went to a dynojet and dynoed 312

Or have the car trap 123 either one will validate it


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Default 10-29-2014, 08:07 AM

Nice runs Ken but sorry to break some bad news. This is not a dyno record. Dyno records can only be set on dynojet machines. It's because DD, MD, and other types of dynos show wildly varying numbers based on their correction factors and other settings. I have had customers email in reporting 500whp on DD machines stock turbo, lol. It's meaningless. It needs to be done on a dynojet to count which has proven to be very consistent day to day and machine to machine. And most importantly there are no settings to adjust to get higher or lower figures.

In fact I think we had this same conversation 2-3 years ago at shift sector when you told me you dynod at 500whp on stock turbos. And I said it was impossible. Turns out you were using an MD dyno and when you went to a dynojet only did 440whp, if memory serves? For tuning MD & DD are fine. But for records its dynojet or nothing.

Anyway go run it on a dynojet and you'll probably get the same 450-460whp everyone else gets running the same boost and timing levels. Maybe you'll even break our record. But to get up to 480whp for the current stock record we really had to pull out all the stops! It can be repeated but it won't be with an automatic IMHO.


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Default 10-29-2014, 08:54 AM

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Nice runs Ken but sorry to break some bad news. This is not a dyno record. Dyno records can only be set on dynojet machines. It's because DD, MD, and other types of dynos show wildly varying numbers based on their correction factors and other settings. I have had customers email in reporting 500whp on DD machines stock turbo, lol. It's meaningless. It needs to be done on a dynojet to count which has proven to be very consistent day to day and machine to machine. And most importantly there are no settings to adjust to get higher or lower figures.
You mean like the guy that just made 521whp/634 ftlbs on stock turbos?
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You mean like the guy that just made 521whp/634 ftlbs on stock turbos?
lol yeah. FWIW even dynojets can be flawed but its obvious when they are. If you dyno at a high elevation SAE & STD corrections inflate the numbers. Like up to 10%. But it's easily viewable in the DRF file. I've had other "500whp stock turbo" results reported that way. With a DJ there is sort of an unwritten rule that the SAE or STD correction factor needs to be within 5% for it to count.


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You mean like the guy that just made 521whp/634 ftlbs on stock turbos?
i was that guy, im starting to believe my run was bad trust me. i cant make it to a dj this year but i will next year for sure, only way to find out



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Default 10-29-2014, 09:36 AM

all these crazy dynos numbers being posted lately and im in my N55 over here like


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Default 10-29-2014, 09:50 AM

yup. I believe 460whp be it. My AT dynoed 460whp on dynojet with pushing it hard.


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all these crazy dynos numbers being posted lately and im in my N55 over here like
The sad part is our N55 dyno record of 480whp with the Vargas Stage2 turbo is basically on par with our N54 stock turbo record.

I know Vargas is making some N55 changes to the WG that may up the ante though.


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i was that guy, im starting to believe my run was bad trust me. i cant make it to a dj this year but i will next year for sure, only way to find out
Why not try virtual dyno to get some more data points?
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Default 10-29-2014, 02:52 PM

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The sad part is our N55 dyno record of 480whp with the Vargas Stage2 turbo is basically on par with our N54 stock turbo record.

I know Vargas is making some N55 changes to the WG that may up the ante though.
No need to rub it in we'll see what the future brings.


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Default 10-29-2014, 05:59 PM

The only way these dynos can be validated is to have some kind of stock baseline same dyno, conditions, etc. Otherwise, stick it on a dynojet


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Default 10-29-2014, 07:29 PM

Only reason I went back to pull on this dyno was the fact it was the only dyno I could get on two weeks ago when I pulled 444/503. So in two weeks we were able to find another 44 whp... When I get time I'll be hitting the dynojet at PSI. I've pulled 460 on that dyno before in the past. Car feels better now, but my butt dyno is getting old. hahahaha

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Nice runs Ken but sorry to break some bad news. This is not a dyno record. Dyno records can only be set on dynojet machines. It's because DD, MD, and other types of dynos show wildly varying numbers based on their correction factors and other settings. I have had customers email in reporting 500whp on DD machines stock turbo, lol. It's meaningless. It needs to be done on a dynojet to count which has proven to be very consistent day to day and machine to machine. And most importantly there are no settings to adjust to get higher or lower figures.

In fact I think we had this same conversation 2-3 years ago at shift sector when you told me you dynod at 500whp on stock turbos. And I said it was impossible. Turns out you were using an MD dyno and when you went to a dynojet only did 440whp, if memory serves? For tuning MD & DD are fine. But for records its dynojet or nothing.

Anyway go run it on a dynojet and you'll probably get the same 450-460whp everyone else gets running the same boost and timing levels. Maybe you'll even break our record. But to get up to 480whp for the current stock record we really had to pull out all the stops! It can be repeated but it won't be with an automatic IMHO.
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yup. I believe 460whp be it. My AT dynoed 460whp on dynojet with pushing it hard.
With the advanced tuning we're doing, we demanding more torque within a few tables... To my surprise it makes a big difference in the cars performance. We're making a lot more power with less timing. Our ATR Advanced Tuning is on par with PTF's tuning using ATP and Cobb Race Logic which removes some of the ceiling limits we have to deal with to get the boost we are making.
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Default 10-29-2014, 07:43 PM

Unfortunately in Australia, I cannot find anyone offering Dynojet dynos

And most of our Dyno Dynamics and Mainline dynos ones are always 15-20% under Dynojet results in the US especially if in shootout mode. But yeah, these dynos can be manipulated up or down for that matter quite easily.


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Default 10-29-2014, 07:52 PM

To put it in perspective, I achieved 451whp on a DD with my setup.. And my boost was 19.5 all the way to 5800 rpm and 18.5 at 6400 rpm with timing above 13 deg. this was on a 70 adder, zero ignition retard. LOL, a heartbreaker? Not when I see all the cars on that dyno and what they achieved before...


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To put it in perspective, I achieved 451whp on a DD with my setup.. And my boost was 19.5 all the way to 5800 rpm and 18.5 at 6400 rpm with timing above 13 deg. this was on a 70 adder, zero ignition retard. LOL, a heartbreaker? Not when I see all the cars on that dyno and what they achieved before...
They had a dyno day a week prior and all the stock cars were on target for what they would normally run on a Dynojet. Even a car on 92 pump with JB4 made 340 whp. Same tech, same setup..
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To put it in perspective, I achieved 451whp on a DD with my setup.. And my boost was 19.5 all the way to 5800 rpm and 18.5 at 6400 rpm with timing above 13 deg. this was on a 70 adder, zero ignition retard. LOL, a heartbreaker? Not when I see all the cars on that dyno and what they achieved before...
great log.

as long as your AFRs stay between 12.6-12.9, your timing will be good.

can you do a 3-4 gear upshift with your AT, to check your postshift timing recovery ?


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Yeah, I will do that test soon. I have a feeling I do not suffer from flat lining as much but I will have to do it on the dyno...


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Only reason I went back to pull on this dyno was the fact it was the only dyno I could get on two weeks ago when I pulled 444/503. So in two weeks we were able to find another 44 whp... When I get time I'll be hitting the dynojet at PSI. I've pulled 460 on that dyno before in the past. Car feels better now, but my butt dyno is getting old. hahahaha
Nothing wrong with testing on lots of dynos. Just make sure to hit up a dynojet so you can see where it's "really" at.


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great log.

as long as your AFRs stay between 12.6-12.9, your timing will be good.

can you do a 3-4 gear upshift with your AT, to check your postshift timing recovery ?
Actually did one run in S mode, and yes it did Flatline! Any easy fixes? LOL Car felt quick though through 4th and I did not even suspect it until I looked at the logs.


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Unfortunately in Australia, I cannot find anyone offering Dynojet dynos

And most of our Dyno Dynamics and Mainline dynos ones are always 15-20% under Dynojet results in the US especially if in shootout mode. But yeah, these dynos can be manipulated up or down for that matter quite easily.
where are you located? i found one in perth. email dynojet if their dyno center map isnt working, which i tried just now and it isn't.
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Nice runs Ken but sorry to break some bad news. This is not a dyno record. Dyno records can only be set on dynojet machines. It's because DD, MD, and other types of dynos show wildly varying numbers based on their correction factors and other settings. I have had customers email in reporting 500whp on DD machines stock turbo, lol. It's meaningless. It needs to be done on a dynojet to count which has proven to be very consistent day to day and machine to machine. And most importantly there are no settings to adjust to get higher or lower figures.

In fact I think we had this same conversation 2-3 years ago at shift sector when you told me you dynod at 500whp on stock turbos. And I said it was impossible. Turns out you were using an MD dyno and when you went to a dynojet only did 440whp, if memory serves? For tuning MD & DD are fine. But for records its dynojet or nothing.

Anyway go run it on a dynojet and you'll probably get the same 450-460whp everyone else gets running the same boost and timing levels. Maybe you'll even break our record. But to get up to 480whp for the current stock record we really had to pull out all the stops! It can be repeated but it won't be with an automatic IMHO.
+1

Variable load dyno's *can* (not *will*) vary a lot with the same vehicle and even the same session. Fixed mass dyno's simply don't vary due to inherently less variables (i.e. operator input). If you don't have repeatability, you have nothing meaningful as far as comparison goes. Doesn't anybody know what a Gage R & R is?


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where are you located? i found one in perth. email dynojet if their dyno center map isnt working, which i tried just now and it isn't.
damn you beat me to it, Im in Perth too and was just about to suggest the DJ website with the dyno map
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