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Default 05-26-2017, 04:41 AM

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Just flashed the BMS/MHD_ST_e85_PI flash, no difference.
SEL codes are 2A2C 2A2B fuel mixture control /2

Also uninstalled the Meth FSB. Not sure what I could have did to cause this.


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Default ? - 05-26-2017, 05:27 AM

Are you in Atlanta?
Seems like they both wouldn't fail at the sametime? and since they were working before I unwired the Meth FSB and installed the BMW AIC.

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Default 06-07-2017, 06:00 PM

Hey Terry, was reading in another forum about you discussing new integrations to the new JB4 PI controller. What is the main intent of the secondary fuel pump control? Would it be something that can control the meth pump so we can run meth along with E85 PI or am I totally off?


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Default 06-10-2017, 06:40 PM

I've been away for a while... is it poss to run meth in conjunction with PI?

I can't seem to find install instructions on this?
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Only with the aic controller
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Only with the aic controller
Yep, that's what i'm currently using mate.
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Default 06-10-2017, 06:50 PM

Get a bigger ic and never use meth again
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Default 06-10-2017, 06:51 PM

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Get a bigger ic and never use meth again
lol, thanks for that.
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Default 06-11-2017, 10:17 AM

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I've been away for a while... is it poss to run meth in conjunction with PI?

I can't seem to find install instructions on this?
Yes, you leave the orange trigger wire in spot #2 and the FSB controls meth as normal.


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Default 06-11-2017, 10:19 AM

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Only with the aic controller
False.

With the BMS PI controller AND WMI you simply need to decide whether you want the JB4 to read PI flow or WMI flow as it can't currently read both. You can run PI without having the JB4 read PI flow.

We're working on logic to allow both to be read simultaneously. There is no reason for anyone with a JB4 to ever run a split second controller.


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Default 06-11-2017, 10:31 AM

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False.

With the BMS PI controller AND WMI you simply need to decide whether you want the JB4 to read PI flow or WMI flow as it can't currently read both. You can run PI without having the JB4 read PI flow.

We're working on logic to allow both to be read simultaneously. There is no reason for anyone with a JB4 to ever run a split second controller.
So yoiu have to remove the pi safety feature to run meth

I was led to believe we need to have the wire connected to make pi work and to read flow to see if the pi is working or not

So with the new logic your working on we dont have to have the pi flow trlgger wire to read flow when it gets released as you can read it by software instead of the trigger wire
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Default 06-11-2017, 11:09 AM

You remove one of the PI safety features IF you need the WMI flow measure active, which you won't, if only using WMI for cooling. But to run a SplitSecond controller instead of the BMS PI controller means no PI safety at all.


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Default 06-11-2017, 11:12 AM

Pin 14, 15, or 16 (depending on your platform) is used for receiving the response signal be it meth, PI, or ethanol sensor. You can only run 1 of those options.

If E85/fuel is your primary fuel source via port injection, then monitor the injector duty cycle.
If meth is your primary fuel source, then monitor the meth signal.

If you are having issues with meth or PI, you can always switch that signal wire as needed for troubleshooting.



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Default 06-11-2017, 11:23 AM

Soon we'll have the extra DME input enabled for this too. Programming is in the works.


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Default 06-11-2017, 03:07 PM

Thanks for the clarification

We need a major update to the first few pages explaining all the latest advancements, if i would have know this in the first place i would have not sold my meth kit as i was told that you cant run both
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So soon we'll be able to receive a response signal from say PI and E sensor at the same time?


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Default 06-12-2017, 06:38 AM

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Yes, you leave the orange trigger wire in spot #2 and the FSB controls meth as normal.
Thanks Terry.

Just to point of, i'm on your original AIC6 installation - this will still work, right?

Reading through the PI installation again (it's been 2 years) and my meth kit is still installed. I don't see any mention to remove pin #2? So it should still be there? What exactly do i need to do here? (apologies if this is a stupid question).
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So soon we'll be able to receive a response signal from say PI and E sensor at the same time?
You already can...you just can't receive the PI and E-sensor signal if running meth.

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Thanks Terry.

Just to point of, i'm on your original AIC6 installation - this will still work, right?

Reading through the PI installation again (it's been 2 years) and my meth kit is still installed. I don't see any mention to remove pin #2? So it should still be there? What exactly do i need to do here? (apologies if this is a stupid question).
If running AIC6, nothing as you can not monitor the injector signal with the AIC6...if wanting to run the BMS controller and monitor the PI signal, remove the meth signal wire from pin 15 and insert the PI signal wire.



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Default 06-13-2017, 01:37 AM

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If running AIC6, nothing as you can not monitor the injector signal with the AIC6...if wanting to run the BMS controller and monitor the PI signal, remove the meth signal wire from pin 15 and insert the PI signal wire.
Cheers Steve.

I gues my Q was more about the wiring config to get it to work, rather than signal monitoring.

I tried priming the meth system using menu option 7/5 with the meth nozzle in a bottle to test. No meth and I can't here that pump.

Do I need to wait for this new programming to be released for both PI and meth to work together?
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With our latest batch of PI controllers we added an extra output for a secondary pump, as another option. But both the Hobbs switch and JB4 external output are also workable.

Is that the blue wire on the PI controller? Can I use it on S55 as trigger for 2nd pump?


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Default 06-14-2017, 02:33 PM

Bump on my question:
Hey Terry, was reading in another forum about you discussing integrations to the new JB4 PI controller. What is the main intent of the secondary fuel pump control?


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Cheers Steve.

I gues my Q was more about the wiring config to get it to work, rather than signal monitoring.

I tried priming the meth system using menu option 7/5 with the meth nozzle in a bottle to test. No meth and I can't here that pump.

Do I need to wait for this new programming to be released for both PI and meth to work together?
What is your meth safety setting set to?

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Is that the blue wire on the PI controller? Can I use it on S55 as trigger for 2nd pump?
No, that is not for the secondary pump.

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Bump on my question:
Hey Terry, was reading in another forum about you discussing integrations to the new JB4 PI controller. What is the main intent of the secondary fuel pump control?
Orange wire is supposed to send a 12 volt signal to the relay to turn on the secondary pump when PI is activated. It is still in testing and has not been verified yet.



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Orange wire is supposed to send a 12 volt signal to the relay to turn on the secondary pump when PI is activated. It is still in testing and has not been verified yet.
So this was basically added to eliminate the relay on the LPFP kits?


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Default 06-15-2017, 08:05 PM

No, you still need a relay. You can not run 20 amps through a 22 gauge wire from the port injection controller. it replaces the Hobb's switch and instead of triggering the relay with the ground, you're triggering it with the 12v source (orange wire).



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Default 06-16-2017, 10:09 PM

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What is your meth safety setting set to?
Hey Steve, my meth settings are:

Meth Safety: 2
Meth Trigger: 1
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