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Default Ando's M4 Dyno - 04-21-2015, 03:23 PM

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Just got back from a few hrs on the dyno. Among the cars tested were Ando's M4. Our latest development car. It's 100% bone stock except for a JB4 and 5 gallons of E85 mixed with 91 octane. Results were impressive especially after the M4 before his with more mods disappointed. But more on that later.

JB4 + E30 is a potent combo.
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Default 04-21-2015, 03:23 PM

Another chart with his runs overlayed.
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Default 04-21-2015, 03:28 PM

JB4, Bone stock FTW!

JB4 is installed with our new OBDII CANbus connection. No more POSI-TAPs.
F series JB4 steering wheel/in dash map switching.


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Default 04-21-2015, 03:33 PM

Sweet that's incredible for a stock car! What happened with the "other m4"


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The other M4 tested had a few differences. Mainly *** and instead of E85 he added a full sealed can of VP101 race gas. For some reason though his timing and power output were that of pump gas. Most he made was 480whp on map 2 and the same or less at higher boost levels. All with timing reducing itself much more than Ando's car.

I don't know if he got a bad can of race gas or if the car has some other issue that needs to be resolved. Everything looked fine except for timing. So my gut feeling is just bad gas. Just goes to show the value of logging your dyno runs.
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Ouch that sucks. Cool for ando though hah why is that last log targeting only 6 or so psi?


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Map 2 is 6psi over stock.


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Default 04-21-2015, 04:11 PM

I am very happy with this car so far.
So much fun to drive.
520+whp on a DCT is fun.


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Default 04-21-2015, 06:30 PM

Ando, were you running map 2 with the E85 on the dyne runs?
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Read the first post....


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Insane .. M3 is my next car for sure ... Must be very fast .. Dct 520whp ...


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Default 04-21-2015, 07:34 PM

A "sealed can" of race gas is how many gallons? I hit 494 whp and 512 wtq with jb4, map2, 4 gallons of e85/rest 93oct, and filters...no DP's yet....hoping that DP's bring me to 530+ whp
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A "sealed can" of race gas is how many gallons? I hit 494 whp and 512 wtq with jb4, map2, 4 gallons of e85/rest 93oct, and filters...no DP's yet....hoping that DP's bring me to 530+ whp
Hi guys, any special tuning to run E85? What percentage of mix will gain the most? Thanks


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Default 04-21-2015, 11:12 PM

Results are great indeed. Gratz on the result Ando!


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Default 04-22-2015, 06:45 AM

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JB4, Bone stock FTW!

JB4 is installed with our new OBDII CANbus connection. No more POSI-TAPs.
F series JB4 steering wheel/in dash map switching.
With this kind of results does this make the posi taps obsolete and will now be the standard issue going forward?
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Both CANbus install methods will continue to be available.


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Is there still a trade off between the two methods? what are the compromises between the two?
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Our M3 today with jb4 map 2 and ********* made:

502.7 bhp
522 ftlb

Andos Made:

502.5 bhp
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Default 04-22-2015, 08:03 AM

Terry - in the logs it always shows throttle is closing throughout the run. Do you know the reason for this? I have seen a log from a car in Belgium which has an ECU flash and throttle stays constant 100% open to match the pedal.



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Is that AFR curve normal for S55? Seems like it is really lean until 4500 RPM then jumps suddenly to richer setting. The log posted later seems to be a bit more linear though.
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Normal curve.


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Hell yeah Ando! Damn S55 makes big power so easily
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Terry - in the logs it always shows throttle is closing throughout the run. Do you know the reason for this? I have seen a log from a car in Belgium which has an ECU flash and throttle stays constant 100% open to match the pedal.
That is just how its programmed from the factory. When boost is on target throttle hovers around 80%. When boost is under target it will hover around 100%. The flash maps I've seen for F series set the target unrealistically high and then limit duty cycle to create a persistent under boost condition a side effect of which is 100% throttle. But that underboost condition will also create other tuning problems as they will find out when more people run those tunes. I think most just don't understand that the throttle has to close to around 50% before it effects power output or can be felt from the drivers seat.

With the E series N55 flash tools we can disable the throttle safety which I've done before but it makes no difference in power or smoothness: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22563


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Default 04-22-2015, 09:43 AM

Super impressive guys. Can't wait to start playing also


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Default 04-22-2015, 10:12 AM

Sweet numbers, very impressive for a mostly stock car. Any concerns with these turbos on the higher output maps?
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