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Default 05-18-2011, 09:07 PM

The kits currently on our site are great too. We're just looking to move in to a segment of the meth kit market that is mostly open currently. Quick install budget oriented. Having the JB4 there doing the control and reading the FSB signal opens a lot of doors.


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Default 05-18-2011, 09:11 PM

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Because:

1. I want direct control of meth injection through the JB4
2. I want to optmize trunk space by leveraging washer fluid tank (no more trunk mount)
3. I like the concept of leveraging low fluid level light from washer tank to indicate low meth
4. I want easier install/uninstall as I still have 2 years of warranty left
5. I want under the hood stealth install

I agree with all 5 points Irish. Sounds good to me.


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Default 05-18-2011, 09:12 PM

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The kits currently on our site are great too. We're just looking to move in to a segment of the meth kit market that is mostly open currently. Quick install budget oriented. Having the JB4 there doing the control and reading the FSB signal opens a lot of doors.


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Default 05-18-2011, 09:25 PM

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I agree with all 5 points Irish. Sounds good to me.
As do I.


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Default 05-18-2011, 09:36 PM

Terry, I am sure you have calculated this in, but I thought I would ask. Obviously the engine gets very hot, and methanol boils at 149F at atmospheric pressure. The pressure in the line will drop before the pump which makes methanol boil at a lower point. Will any vapor form in the pump? Do you by any chance know the flow rate and tube diameter?


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:11 PM

Not overly worried about vapor lock but we'll see soon. Summer is about here.


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:11 PM

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Terry, I am sure you have calculated this in, but I thought I would ask. Obviously the engine gets very hot, and methanol boils at 149F at atmospheric pressure. The pressure in the line will drop before the pump which makes methanol boil at a lower point. Will any vapor form in the pump? Do you by any chance know the flow rate and tube diameter?
Methanol may boil at 149F but when mixed with water I think the boiling point is reduced considerably. I run two atmospheric bovs and it's scares the **** out of me when I hear things such as the releasing meth spray from the bovs.


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:16 PM

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Methanol may boil at 149F but when mixed with water I think the boiling point is reduced considerably. I run two atmospheric bovs and it's scares the **** out of me when I hear things such as the releasing meth spray from the bovs.
One nice thing about the JB4 control is it fully closes the solenoid the moment the throttle closes. No more engine bay vapor worries.


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:19 PM

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One nice thing about the JB4 control is it fully closes the solenoid the moment the throttle closes. No more engine bay vapor worries.
Nice. Thanks Terry


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:24 PM

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One nice thing about the JB4 control is it fully closes the solenoid the moment the throttle closes. No more engine bay vapor worries.
Perfect!


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:30 PM

We're getting there.


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Still stuck on FS vs FCB


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:38 PM

FCB all the way gbree.


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:39 PM

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FCB all the way gbree.
Thats what I am leaning towards. Just waiting for CM to help me out on the System X thread.


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Default 05-18-2011, 10:42 PM

Two good things will come off all of this, a really fast car and excellent knowledge about how water/methanol injection works.


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Default 05-18-2011, 11:48 PM

My only question is what would 70-80% methanol do to the vehicles paint when it would be used to spray the windshield/headlights from the stock WW tank??


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Default 05-19-2011, 01:19 AM

so it's just going to be the pump itself a a few wires going in and out that can all go back to stock as quick as a jb4???
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Nice work Terry.

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Default 05-19-2011, 07:29 AM

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My only question is what would 70-80% methanol do to the vehicles paint when it would be used to spray the windshield/headlights from the stock WW tank??
Lots of detailers use pure methanol to remove tree sap and other contaminants from paint .. however, it's usually wiped or rinsed off after.

Not sure how methanol sitting on the paint, baking in the sun would work, but it does evaporate quickly.. probably no different than windshield fluid. Even plain water left alone is dangerous to paint, if the sun is shining
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so it's just going to be the pump itself a a few wires going in and out that can all go back to stock as quick as a jb4???
Yes! The hardest part is the nozzle mount. The only viable option we have now are the replacement elbows. Working on some alternatives but they may come after the initial kit release.


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Default 05-19-2011, 10:38 AM

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Yes! The hardest part is the nozzle mount. The only viable option we have now are the replacement elbows. Working on some alternatives but they may come after the initial kit release.
Im ready to test the FSB ASAP. Already installed the underhood kit.
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For the quick install kit we're really looking to streamline it. JB4 will run the FSB and meth pump/solenoid directly using all the data available to it. Boost pressure, throttle blade, timing advance, IAT, pump load, etc. So the FSB goes in the DME box then you have one wire coming out to the pump/solenoid. The other side of the pump/solenoid connects to the bracket for a chassis ground. You can use this with an engine bay mount kit like we're doing now, or any of the CM tanks. We'll have all the options covered.
This will be a winner! Congrats!
Is it better to use CM FSB than Snow FS?
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Default 05-19-2011, 11:07 AM

If you have the JB4 running the pump you'll need the FSB anyway. So makes more sense to have just that. In theory you could run both though.


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Default 05-19-2011, 11:15 AM

If JB4 is controlling the pump and the FSB monitors the DC. Does this mean we will have a Min meth flow and Max meth flow setting?
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Default 05-19-2011, 11:32 AM

Terry,
Any ideas on a release date? I will be buying a meth kit mid July and really like this setup.
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