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Wickedowesix 08-13-2017 09:21 PM

Did you try different meth/water ratios or just stayed with boost juice?

Mrpink 08-13-2017 11:34 PM

Anyone else fitted the pure st1 yet?

Already running meth so it seems next logical step.

Would be good to get some other opinions

Nugs 08-14-2017 12:25 AM

Might be an odd comparison but how much of a difference would there be between a completely stock car running JB+ (or JB4 Map 1) vs same car with Pure Stage 1?

Does it make much difference on the top end?

Could be a good set up on pump that looks completely stock once you unplug the JB+.

Terry @ BMS 08-14-2017 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedowesix (Post )
Did you try different meth/water ratios or just stayed with boost juice?

Stronger mixtures are generally better for higher end power goals.

Wickedowesix 08-14-2017 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS (Post )
Stronger mixtures are generally better for higher end power goals.

Stronger mixtures as in more meth to water ratio?

Mrpink 08-14-2017 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedowesix (Post )
Stronger mixtures as in more meth to water ratio?

Yeah

https://youtu.be/-huU7TysonI

Roki187 08-20-2017 06:01 PM

I am currently running jb4/meth kit (vp m1) and pulled the trigger on a pure stage 1.
My core is already sent in and received by pure, awaiting on shipment. Hoping for some good results.

Mrpink 08-20-2017 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roki187 (Post )
I am currently running jb4/meth kit (vp m1) and pulled the trigger on a pure stage 1.
My core is already sent in and received by pure, awaiting on shipment. Hoping for some good results.

Nice one mate looking forward to some results

Mrpink 09-08-2017 03:55 AM

Anyone else fitted yet then with some feedback?

viperstang1 09-13-2017 07:15 AM

how long is the turn around on the ps1 ?

I M inluv340 09-13-2017 12:43 PM

Top end is noticeably better. Needs more fuel. Switching from meth to E98 was a big improvement. Turn time was very fast 2-3 days I believe is their expected turn time

viperstang1 09-13-2017 03:14 PM

Ok...thanks for the reply
I was thinking it was 2-3 weeks

I M inluv340 09-13-2017 03:17 PM

shipping is the biggest thing it could take 2 weeks if you ship it ground. I live in indiana so no where near them.

Roki187 09-13-2017 06:16 PM

Installed the pure today. Did a few pulls and it feels good so far (FUA10-50add)
One or two slight closures, I didn't even feel them. I will lower the add to 40 and try FUA0, as suggested by a fellow beemer broski.

So far I can tell ya it sounds different while spooling and it might have ~200rpm lag compared to stock. It definitely pulls harder over the stock turbo
I'm running pure, meth, AP intake, er ******** and muffler delete (figured I'd share)

Boost on Broski's......

Mrpink 09-13-2017 11:21 PM

Throttle closures/movement is normal, if you don't feel them they aren't an issue.

It's only when they are more than like 50% closed for more than a few seconds which cause hesitation and issues.

Or are you saying there is hesitation

Roki187 09-14-2017 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrpink (Post )
Throttle closures/movement is normal, if you don't feel them they aren't an issue.

It's only when they are more than like 50% closed for more than a few seconds which cause hesitation and issues.

Or are you saying there is hesitation

From the 12 miles or so I drove after the install I had only a few closures, none of which I actually felt.

Pure 1 is a no brainer mod is you're running meth already

viperstang1 09-14-2017 01:44 PM

how much boost are you guys seeing?

I M inluv340 09-14-2017 01:55 PM

I still like to run 40 add. With x98 I can hit 50 add with no closures but the car doesn't feel as fast. At 40 add I'm right around 20.5psi at 50 21.5.

viperstang1 09-20-2017 05:46 AM

question....if fueling is still an issue, wouldn't it make sense to go with bigger nozzles? and is there a way to actually control pressure or flow on the meth kit to make it inject more?

Ayousri 09-25-2017 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean_g (Post )
Anyone install this new turbo yet? I'm sure positive feedback on the instal. But any feedback would be nice.

Bmw 340i Pure Stage 1
Jb4 Map 7, meth add 60, FOL 60, PID gain 12
100% methanol
10% ethanol
95 Ron gasoline
4.5" **+ mid-pipe
Cold plugs gapped at 0.02"
Dual CM10's
AFE GT intake filter

So here's the deal guys. Stage 1 does pull harder In high revs and spools almost identical to stock but you cannot run it with dual cm7's as suggested. Trims max out at 45 meth additive and you will experience horrible ignition timing, just doesn't work. I explored with nozzle sizes and the best result was with dual CM10's to hold fueling up to 65 meth additive. You can get away with one cm7 and one CM10 if your gasoline has high octane or if you have MPPK which increases the fueling cap slightly.

To give you an idea on the power: I have been benchmarking with a friends supercharged E92 M3 (fully modified). On stock turbo setup he would gain approx 3 cars on me. With stage 1, at 55 meth additive and above I pass him with a few feet. Our pulls are usually from 60 or 100km to 250km. So yes there are gains in my opinion no less than a solid 30 wheel.

As for the stock map 0 with pure, surprisingly there was no difference at all or any noticeable gains against a stock 340i. On the contrary, he was quicker which I found confusing...

Attached below is a log graph for you all at 60 meth

Mrpink 09-25-2017 03:37 AM

I'm a bit confused, maybe I'm reading it wrong.

I though with the larger nozzles number the more meth they will spray. So with more meth the trims should be better?

I M inluv340 09-25-2017 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayousri (Post )
Bmw 340i Pure Stage 1
Jb4 Map 7, meth add 60, FOL 60, PID gain 12
100% methanol
10% ethanol
95 Ron gasoline
4.5" **+ mid-pipe
Cold plugs gapped at 0.02"
Dual CM10's
AFE GT intake filter

So here's the deal guys. Stage 1 does pull harder In high revs and spools almost identical to stock but you cannot run it with dual cm7's as suggested. Trims max out at 45 meth additive and you will experience horrible ignition timing, just doesn't work. I explored with nozzle sizes and the best result was with dual CM10's to hold fueling up to 65 meth additive. You can get away with one cm7 and one CM10 if your gasoline has high octane or if you have MPPK which increases the fueling cap slightly.

To give you an idea on the power: I have been benchmarking with a friends supercharged E92 M3 (fully modified). On stock turbo setup he would gain approx 3 cars on me. With stage 1, at 55 meth additive and above I pass him with a few feet. Our pulls are usually from 60 or 100km to 250km. So yes there are gains in my opinion no less than a solid 30 wheel.

As for the stock map 0 with pure, surprisingly there was no difference at all or any noticeable gains against a stock 340i. On the contrary, he was quicker which I found confusing...

Attached below is a log graph for you all at 60 meth


Run X98 instead of meth in the tank it will help significantly. Side question does 60 add feel faster than 40? Everytime I bump it up to 50 it doesn't feel any fast. I'm currently using a cm10 and cm5 I may try to put a 7 or another 10 in there. But if you make the switch from meth you'll be very pleased trust me

Roki187 09-25-2017 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayousri (Post )
Bmw 340i Pure Stage 1
Jb4 Map 7, meth add 60, FOL 60, PID gain 12
100% methanol
10% ethanol
95 Ron gasoline
4.5" **+ mid-pipe
Cold plugs gapped at 0.02"
Dual CM10's
AFE GT intake filter

So here's the deal guys. Stage 1 does pull harder In high revs and spools almost identical to stock but you cannot run it with dual cm7's as suggested. Trims max out at 45 meth additive and you will experience horrible ignition timing, just doesn't work. I explored with nozzle sizes and the best result was with dual CM10's to hold fueling up to 65 meth additive. You can get away with one cm7 and one CM10 if your gasoline has high octane or if you have MPPK which increases the fueling cap slightly.

To give you an idea on the power: I have been benchmarking with a friends supercharged E92 M3 (fully modified). On stock turbo setup he would gain approx 3 cars on me. With stage 1, at 55 meth additive and above I pass him with a few feet. Our pulls are usually from 60 or 100km to 250km. So yes there are gains in my opinion no less than a solid 30 wheel.

As for the stock map 0 with pure, surprisingly there was no difference at all or any noticeable gains against a stock 340i. On the contrary, he was quicker which I found confusing...

Attached below is a log graph for you all at 60 meth

Do you have any track slips? What plugs are you running?
And also, I found it slower with the pure 1 on map 0 as compared to stock

Nanometer 09-25-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayousri (Post )
Bmw 340i Pure Stage 1
Jb4 Map 7, meth add 60, FOL 60, PID gain 12
100% methanol
10% ethanol
95 Ron gasoline
4.5" **+ mid-pipe
Cold plugs gapped at 0.02"
Dual CM10's
AFE GT intake filter

So here's the deal guys. Stage 1 does pull harder In high revs and spools almost identical to stock but you cannot run it with dual cm7's as suggested. Trims max out at 45 meth additive and you will experience horrible ignition timing, just doesn't work. I explored with nozzle sizes and the best result was with dual CM10's to hold fueling up to 65 meth additive. You can get away with one cm7 and one CM10 if your gasoline has high octane or if you have MPPK which increases the fueling cap slightly.

To give you an idea on the power: I have been benchmarking with a friends supercharged E92 M3 (fully modified). On stock turbo setup he would gain approx 3 cars on me. With stage 1, at 55 meth additive and above I pass him with a few feet. Our pulls are usually from 60 or 100km to 250km. So yes there are gains in my opinion no less than a solid 30 wheel.

As for the stock map 0 with pure, surprisingly there was no difference at all or any noticeable gains against a stock 340i. On the contrary, he was quicker which I found confusing...

Attached below is a log graph for you all at 60 meth


Can you reattach graph? Id love to see a Dyno if you have one. I am considering a FBO 240i in the near future, would love to know what a dual CM10, stage 1 turbos would do. I would get the same setup except I would be running mostly Piss California 91 octane.

Bullitt1841 09-25-2017 03:41 PM

Is nobody waiting for Stage 2? It will cost more, but if you're driving a B58, money can't be that tight.


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