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Terry @ BMS 06-15-2018 08:56 AM

JB4 for Honda Turbo 1.5L & 2L Applications
 
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Install Guide: http://www.burgertuning.com/instruct...bo_install.pdf

We picked up a tenth gen 2018 Civic Sport CVT 1.5L turbo for product development. Immediate development includes a JB4 Honda Turbo tuning system, BMS Performance Intake, & Pedal Tuner module.

While there are already various flash tune options out for the vehicle flashing leaves a trace behind not only in the ECU but in the vehicles various modules, so for those who don't wish to flash we think there is a great opportunity for a well developed tuning system like the JB4. And down the road we plan to add WMI integration and other features even the flashed guys might find useful!

We'll use this thread for JB4 firmware updates, map guides, results, and log evaluation. :drinking:

Honda Map Guide as of v2 firmware:

Map 0: Disables JB4 all together
Map 1: +3.5 psi, default map. Suggested for 91+ octane.
Map 2: +4.0 psi, Suggested for 91-93 octane
Map 3: +4.5 psi, Suggested for 93+ octane
Map 4: +5.0 psi, Suggested for 30% E85
Map 5: +6.0 psi (30% E85 or race gas, alpha testing, seems OK so far)
Map 6: User Adjustable Custom Tuning Map
Map 7: +9.0 psi (30% E85 or race gas, alpha testing, use at your own risk!)
Map 8: VALET/Low Boost Map

FUD Bit Settings as of v4:

FutureUseD on User Adjustment Page:
bit0 -
bit1 -
bit2 - Turn on to disable JB4 hot/cold water & oil temperature protection
bit3 -
bit4 -
bit5 - Turn on to disable over boost and run lean safety systems
bit6 - Turn on if vehicle has an aftermarket flash map loaded to the ECU
bit7 - Turn on to enable more aggressive gas pedal based boost mapping


Firmware:

Note TypeR requires special firmware with "TYPER" in the firmware name and has a revised map guide. Currently only map1 and map2 is enabled for the TYPER firmware.

JB4_HONDA_5:

1) Setup firmware split for TypeR from normal Civic models. TypeR now has dedicated firmware with "TYPER" in it's name.
2) Adjustments to top end taper on all maps, determined it's best to taper boost down over 6000 rpm. CVTs shift better this way, and manuals normally shift by 6000 rpm on their own.
3) Setup map7 as full "send it" map. Not sure how safe it's going to be so use with extreme caution.

JB4_HONDA_4:

1) Enabled FutureUseD adjustment options outlined above.
2) Adjusted interface boost scaling, after updating firmware disconnect and reconnect to reset interface scaling.
3) Added in over boost and run lean safety systems. If boost exceeds the user defined "boost safety" setting for more than 1 second the JB4 will revert to map0. Similarly if AFR goes leaner than 14:1 at full throttle for more than one second the JB4 will revert to map0. These safety system can be disabled in the FutureUseD bit5 if needed for diagnostic purposes.
4) Relocated "knock control" under IGN-2 and adjusted "TimingAVG" to reflect a new 0-10 metric for knock control. It's scaled such that 0 = 0.50 10 = 1.20 which I think is more intuitive. We'll keep an eye on it and users can continue to reference whichever scaling they prefer.
5) Various minor logging parameter fixes.
6) Adjusted pedal to boost mapping to be more conservative/smoother. The previous more aggressive mapping can be enabled under FUD.7.
7) Enabled hot/cold protection. Boost will remain at stock levels until water temp is > 160f degrees and if water temp goes above 250f degrees boost will decay down to stock levels. Can be disabled under the FUD.2 bit.


JB4_HONDA_3:

1) Changed how RPM & Pedal input are logged on the back end. Should be seamless to users.
2) Added WGDC logging parameter
3) Added long term fuel trims under fuel_trims2, using same scaling as fuel_trims. 25 = 0%, 50 = +33%.
4) Programmed a mystery temp parameter under OilTemp. I think it represents temperature of air coming off the radiator. Not sure yet. Will keep an eye on it. Still don't have the actual oil temp logging parameter yet.

JB4_HONDA_2:

1) Enabled additional CANbus channels including air/fuel ratio, fuel trims (scaled 25 = 0, 0 = 34%, 50 = + 34%), ignition advance, IAT (charge air intake temps), high fuel pressure, and more!
2) Revised maps to reduce top end boost taper.
3) Enabled additional higher boost maps for testing purposes only, ideally for those on high quality fuel (e.g. E85 mixtures or octane booster) to start. Later when we've collected more data we'll open up these maps for pump grade fuels.

JB4_HONDA_1:

1) Enabled CANbus with basic information for engine speed, vehicle speed (to allow boost by speed settings), water temperature, and pedal input. More coming! To activate just update firmware and attach the included OBDII cable to the JB4 harness. Install photos for OBDII coming soon.
1C) Adjusted boost scaling/zero point for more accurate boost display.

JB4 Mobile Smart Phone wireless connection directions Click here
BMS data cable hard wired directions&software Click here

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JB4 Mobile DEMO:


How to route OBDII:


How to attach BlueTooth kit:


How to update firmware:


Dragy Testing!

Ando @ BMS 06-15-2018 09:04 AM

Very impressed by this 1.5l engine. This 10th generation civic drives pretty good for what it is.
217 wheel hp now makes it even better:)

Payam @ BMS 06-15-2018 09:34 AM

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Also works on the 2018 Honda Accord with the same 1.5L Turbo engine!

Ando @ BMS 06-15-2018 10:32 AM

These is the current application list.

1.5L turbo Honda Civic
• 1.5L turbo Honda Accord
• 1.5L turbo Honda CR-V
• 1.5L turbo Honda Fit

Mike_L 06-15-2018 11:00 AM

Theres a 1.5L turbo Fit? I thought it was N/A?

Lowon 06-15-2018 08:53 PM

Nice to see you guys expanding the market and reaching other platforms! It's tough competition though with hondata and ktuner ruling this section and offering flexfuel, and other crazy features for pretty cheap.

*cough cough* offer something for the cla 45 amg

Terry @ BMS 06-15-2018 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowon (Post )
Nice to see you guys expanding the market and reaching other platforms! It's tough competition though with hondata and ktuner ruling this section and offering flexfuel, and other crazy features for pretty cheap.

*cough cough* offer something for the cla 45 amg

Yes tons of flash tuning out for them. But not everyone wants to instantly void their warranty/lease agreement by flashing the car. And the JB4 has resale value. It's a good option for someone looking for a quick install/remove type product that adds a decent amount of power and can be resold down the road when wanted. :)

Lifted07Duramax 06-17-2018 11:08 AM

380lbs of torque?

Terry @ BMS 06-17-2018 11:13 AM

It's a CVT (continuously variable transmission) so I don't think the torque reading is accurate. We just left it on there so you can see a relative difference vs. stock.

Mike_L 06-17-2018 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS (Post )
It's a CVT (continuously variable transmission) so I don't think the torque reading is accurate. We just left it on there so you can see a relative difference vs. stock.

Itís also very weak. Youíre gonna hit its limits much sooner than you would with the manual or a real automatic.

Lifted07Duramax 06-17-2018 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_L (Post )
Itís also very weak. Youíre gonna hit its limits much sooner than you would with the manual or a real automatic.

Iíve heard that a lot. CVT is a lot weaker but advantages in other areas. So itís true? Mike didnít know you were in here. Been following you for so long from my duramax days lol

Mike_L 06-17-2018 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifted07Duramax (Post )
Iíve heard that a lot. CVT is a lot weaker but advantages in other areas. So itís true? Mike didnít know you were in here. Been following you for so long from my duramax days lol

Its true.
I don't think I'm the Mike you've been following. I never had a Duramax. Are you thinking of Mike Litsch from DiabloSport?

seven0five 06-19-2018 07:26 PM

After using a JB4 for Audi EA888 Gen 3 with great results for several months in my car, this has been a very welcome addition to my wife's Honda.

I've been running the JB4 for the Honda 1.5L Turbo in my wife's Civic Touring CVT for a week now and am really impressed with the results. The CVT has always been and still will be the weak point of this car, but with the JB4 the acceleration is noticeably quicker and I find the drive much more enjoyable now.

Looking forward to the full CANbus support!

Terry @ BMS 06-19-2018 08:40 PM

Glad to hear!! We're working on it!

Payam @ BMS 06-20-2018 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven0five (Post )
After using a JB4 for Audi EA888 Gen 3 with great results for several months in my car, this has been a very welcome addition to my wife's Honda.

I've been running the JB4 for the Honda 1.5L Turbo in my wife's Civic Touring CVT for a week now and am really impressed with the results. The CVT has always been and still will be the weak point of this car, but with the JB4 the acceleration is noticeably quicker and I find the drive much more enjoyable now.

Looking forward to the full CANbus support!

Agreed! It makes a huge difference in tq and peak power to be honest.

seven0five 07-28-2018 01:46 PM

Any news on the CANbus support?

Lifted07Duramax 08-04-2018 12:47 AM

Was this on a stock civic?

If so what everything run ok if there were a full exhaust and intake plus this tune? Or would it need adjustments

Lifted07Duramax 08-04-2018 12:47 AM

Also have the log for this car?
Also wanting to see what the boost was

Thinking of getting one for a 2nd car

Terry @ BMS 08-04-2018 08:36 AM

All stock. The JB4 only logs boost for the model currently, for some reason don't see the logs in the dyno file. But we're adding 3-4psi over stock. I think stock was around 11psi.

PR3CI5N335i 08-07-2018 10:39 PM

T, any plans to make a JB4 for the 2.0T in the 2018 Accord Sport? Thinking of picking up one as a daily. Stock has 252hp/273tq

Payam @ BMS 08-08-2018 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR3CI5N335i (Post )
T, any plans to make a JB4 for the 2.0T in the 2018 Accord Sport? Thinking of picking up one as a daily. Stock has 252hp/273tq

I'm sure we will eventually. Just need to get one down here to verify :)

Dan Villa 08-17-2018 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payam @ BMS (Post )
I'm sure we will eventually. Just need to get one down here to verify :)

Ive been speaking with Ando G and says it should work on the 2.0t i sent him pics of my sensors and they look the same as the 1.5t. Im about to order to test it out.

seven0five 08-18-2018 12:01 PM

Any development on CANbus support yet?

Terry @ BMS 08-18-2018 03:23 PM

Nothing yet, sorry. But it's on our radar!

Dan Villa 08-18-2018 03:30 PM

Terry can you confirm this will work on my 2.0t?


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