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Terry @ BMS 03-08-2018 11:50 AM

Kia & Hyundai JB4
 
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*** We're going to use this thread as the general Kia Stinger informational thread including posting the install guide, mapping guide, software, firmware updates as we release them, logs, and general discussion. ***

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By default the JB4 ships on map1. For higher boost map, logging, firmware updates, and other features, you'll need a JB4 Mobile adapter for wireless connection to your phone or a BMS data cable for wired connection to a laptop.

JB4 Mobile Smart Phone wireless connection directions Click here.
BMS data cable hard wired directions and windows software Click here.

Installation guide Click Here

Map guide as of v15+ firmware (selected via JB4 Mobile/laptop interface. Map1 is the default map)

Map 0: JB4 disabled
Map 1: 4psi over stock peak tapering to 2.5psi at high RPM. Default performance map suitable for all 91+ octane fuels.
Map 2: 5psi over stock tapering to 4psi at high RPM. Suggested for 93+ octane fuel.
Map 3: 6psi stock tapering to 5psi at high RPM. Suggested for high quality fuel including unleaded race gas, ethanol mixtures up to 30%, or high quality octane booster like Torco or Boostane.
Map 4: Up to 7psi over stock. For use with unleaded race fuel and/or E85 mixtures up to 30%.
Map 5: Up to 7psi over stock but without top end taper. For unleaded race fuel use and bolt on modifications. May not be suitable for E85 mixtures due to high fuel pressure dropping. If using this map on E85 you should be experienced at reading your own logs and evaluating ignition advance and fuel pressure.
Map 6: User adjustable map. Enter value of boost over stock by RPM on user adjustment page.
Map 7: Progressive WMI (water/meth) map. Increases boost as a function of methanol flow & methanol boost additive. Holds boost low until WMI is flowing to avoid tip-in knock, and reduces boost as a function of WMI flow in the event of interruption like running out of fluid, leak, or component failure.
Map 8: Valet map, runs around half as much boost as stock.

Click here for info on how to read JB4 logs

Firmware Updates:


Download using the new JB4 Mobile firmware database or externally by clicking this link.



JB4 User Adjustment Settings as of v15 firmware:

Boost by gear: Enter amount of boost reduction in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gear. Very useful for improving traction on RWD vehicles. We generally run 5psi in 1st, 1psi in 2nd, on our GT on stock tires to avoid wheel spin during launch mode. This reduces boost in 1st gear by 5psi, and reduces boost in 2nd gear by 1psi. You can reduce boost below factory levels as needed.

Fuel Bias: Used to fine tune fuel control if you disable the preset mapping using option bit1. Not suggested for most. Once enabled a value of 140 will target 14:1, 120 will target 12:1, 13.2 will target 13.2:1, etc. Note you won't exactly hit the target so you'll need to datalog and evaluate. Going too rich will result in fuel pressure drops and stuttering, and going too lean may result in increased knock activity.

Map6 Boost: Allows you to enter a customized boost profile. You'll enter only peak boost over stock here, so 6.0 means add a maximum of 6psi over stock, at that RPM point. The JB4 will blend this request with pedal input, engine temperatures, etc, to provide a smooth mapping. Generally this is only used for advanced customers who are able to read their logs and looking to make a map less aggressive than our off the shelf maps.

In dash map switching using wiper stalk: N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion - View Single Post - Kia Hyundai JB4

Optional EWG connectors and setup for improved boost targeting: Stinger 3.3L EWG Connectors - N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion

Options (formerly FUD) settings as of v14 firmware:

bit0 - Turn on to disable JB4 fuel control or if optional fuel wires are not installed.
bit1 - Turn on to enable manual fuel control adjustment by RPM. Generally not suggested unless advised by a tuner. See firmware notes for how adjustment is entered.
bit2 - Turn on to disable JB4 hot/cold water & oil temperature protection
bit3 - Turn on for slow speed CANbus, useful for some older pre-2017 models.
bit4 - Turn on to disable JB4 over boost, run lean, and fuel pressure safety systems.
bit5 - Disable EWG connectors if installed.
bit6 - Turn on if vehicle has an aftermarket flash map loaded to the ECU.
bit7 - Turn on to run more linear (sluggish) gas pedal to boost mapping.

Spark Plugs:

Only map1 has a chance of working well with the factory plug gap. For the 3.3L we suggest closing the gap on the stock plugs to 0.024", or replacing the stock plugs with Denso 5346 plugs and gapping them to 0.022". For the 2L and other motors we suggest HKS plugs gapped 0.022" to 0.026".

For your convenience you can order the required 3.3L plugs, gapping tool, and magnetic socket from BMS as a discounted package: https://www.burgertuning.com/collect...iri-spark-plug



Dyno Testing: https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showp...&postcount=276

Dyno Testing w/ BMS intake: https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showp...&postcount=460

Dyno Testing w/ BMS WMI (water/meth) kit: https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showp...&postcount=953

Fuel Control Wires:

These add on wires attach to the JB4 harness and your vehicles sensors to give the JB4 the ability to directly change the air/fuel ratio. The factory tuning runs in the 10:1 range and leaning that out to 11.5:1 has proven to be worth significant power at higher engine speed. Note these are preinstalled on the JB4 harness now so only need to be attached to the o2 sensor signal wire to enable using the included posi-taps or optional harness adapters.

No JB4 setting changes are needed to enable the fuel control wires.

Forward video to 4min for systems already equipped with fuel wires to see how to attach them. For 3.3L they attach to the o2 sensor signal RED wire. For 2L applications only the longer wire is used and it goes to the primary o2 sensor signal WHITE wire. For those using the optional harness adapters the 3.3L signal wire is also RED for your convenience.



JB4 Mobile / Blue Tooth attachment:

Note newer systems have the blue wire built in to the harness. If your blue tooth adapter does not have a spare/loose blue wire and instead has that blue wire pinned in to the JB4 connector then all you need to do is attach the blue tooth adapter to the JB4 control board. Skip the posi-tap directions as those only apply to older models with a loose blue wire.



Optional Firmware Updates:

For firmware updates we suggest you turn off WiFi, change upload timeout to 25, and set your phone next to JB4 box under the hood.


narstune 03-08-2018 12:11 PM

This is good news, but the one thing about Kia is that they will happily void your engine warranty if they ever see any non-factory engine mods. On the bright side, however, a piggyback unit can always be removed prior to any service visits.

ms335i 03-08-2018 01:02 PM

What power did it make?

Mike_L 03-08-2018 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by narstune (Post )
This is good news, but the one thing about Kia is that they will happily void your engine warranty if they ever see any non-factory engine mods. On the bright side, however, a piggyback unit can always be removed prior to any service visits.

Come on, they should know better than that. Magnuson-Moss says they aren't voiding anything.

Geno Castellano 03-08-2018 02:52 PM

Definitely interested in hearing what's going on with this tune. I've had a JB+ and JB4 for my 335i and loved them. What might it be called?

Terry @ BMS 03-08-2018 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by narstune (Post )
This is good news, but the one thing about Kia is that they will happily void your engine warranty if they ever see any non-factory engine mods. On the bright side, however, a piggyback unit can always be removed prior to any service visits.

He happens to work for a Kia dealer and told me as long as you remove the parts before going in generally it's not a problem. He said they are scanning the cars checking for flash tuning though now. Per usual if you can't afford to fix it, don't risk modifying it, but we expect our tuning to be very reliable. The motor appears overbuilt for the factory power levels.

Terry @ BMS 03-08-2018 04:02 PM

Some of the older firmware version notes for reference:

v14

1) Changes to the EWG targeting for those testing out EWG connectors.
2) Minor fuel targeting change

v13

1) Adjusted boost scaling in JB4 app to reflect ~10% higher boost levels to better match up the JB4 with external boost gauges.
2) Revised double PID fuel control system for smoother performance and easier user adjustment
3) For people who prefer to custom tune improved user interface for user adjustable fuel control. Enabled by setting options bit1 on, the fuel bias values will now represent the "target" air/fuel ratio. e.g. 120 = 12.0:1, 125 = 12.5:1. Actual AFR will generally be richer than the target. Current logic allows for leaning AFR from factory only. The default JB4 setting is 120. You may require a JB4 Mobile app update to allow values of more than 100 under fuel bias.
4) Logical changes to facilitate upcoming electronic wastegate (EWG) control.
5) Increased sampling speed while logging is active to further smooth out performance.
6) Revised map4 VALET map to make it more usable.
7) Revisions to E85 auto tuning map for those equipped with a Fuel-IT Flex Fuel sensor.
8) Leaned out map5 and map7 to help reduce the likelihood for a fuel pressure crash on E85 mixtures.
Note this firmware is the same as V13_T13 firmware for those who helped alpha test it.

v12

1) Connected JB4 to transmission so it can read trans gear, trans temperature, torque converter slippage, and other criteria being incorporated in to the JB4's tuning and safety systems. For now gear and transtemp are available in the logging app. Gear reflected is "requested" gear while we've put "current gear" under "load" in the app. "requested" is what is shown in dash and a better indicator of what we're looking for as "current gear" will lag a second or two behind the shift.
2) Adjusted flex fuel sensor logic. The suggested JB4 input for the flex fuel sensor signal wire is spot #4. To enable E85 reading on that spot select E85 Sensor 2/3 on the E85/WMI page. Alternatively the signal can also be plugged in to spot #16 and you'll select E85 Sensor 15/16 on the E85/WMI page.
3) Configured map8 so it can also be used as a variable additive map as a function of ethanol sensor input. If running this email me ahead as I want to keep an eye on the first few cars.
4) Adjusted boost by gear logic to use actual gear above. Note for older models or manual transmission applications where gear doesn't read properly, if gear reading is 0, JB4 will revert to boost by speed settings.
5) Minor scaling change to ECU_PSI readings to correct a bug created in v11.
6) Increased sampling rate on analog sensor input/output channels psi and psi2 for generally smoother operation.
7) Adjusted map4, low boost VALET map, to try to avoid triggering a zero boost fault during full throttle operation.

Terry @ BMS 03-18-2018 06:59 PM

So far, so good on testing. We need some more test cars. Email if you have a Stinger and are looking for a great deal on a tune. :)

Geno Castellano 03-19-2018 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS (Post )
So far, so good on testing. We need some more test cars. Email if you have a Stinger and are looking for a great deal on a tune. :)

Terry, I have a few people interested. How do I email you?

Terry @ BMS 03-20-2018 01:08 PM

Around 10 BETA systems are on the way out. I'll post an install guide and more detailed directions in the first post shortly. For now direct any inquires, help requests, logs, etc, to this thread so we have them all in one place. :)

Killa200 03-20-2018 02:06 PM

Looking forward to this!

jaddi85 03-20-2018 04:05 PM

Are there any plans for jb4 for the 2.0T? Happy to be a tester if needed :)

Terry @ BMS 03-20-2018 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaddi85 (Post )
Are there any plans for jb4 for the 2.0T? Happy to be a tester if needed :)

Absolutely... What year/model do you have?

jaddi85 03-20-2018 07:08 PM

I have a 2018 Kia Stinger 2.0T.

It seems a lot of the tuning options are for the 3.3TT, but I’m sure there still a lot of interest with the 2.0T platform.

RMA 03-21-2018 07:44 AM

Thanks for the opportunity Terry, Robert (2018 GT)

Terry @ BMS 03-21-2018 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaddi85 (Post )
I have a 2018 Kia Stinger 2.0T.

It seems a lot of the tuning options are for the 3.3TT, but Iím sure there still a lot of interest with the 2.0T platform.

I want to get the BETA system in the hands of a couple 2.0T cars to collect some data. I expect we'll be able to make the tuning fully compatible.

ScottyDangles 03-21-2018 08:38 AM

Terry - do you need any Beta Testers for the Canadian market? I have the 3.3TT.

Regards,
Scott

Terry @ BMS 03-21-2018 08:43 AM

We've got an initial 10 3.3L cars lined up already and will update the thread with progress as we go. :)

jaddi85 03-21-2018 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS (Post )
I want to get the BETA system in the hands of a couple 2.0T cars to collect some data. I expect we'll be able to make the tuning fully compatible.

That would be great! Do they have to be local to Simi Valley or would any location work? How many testers were you thinking? I'd add my name to the list and happy to put the word out to others.

Can you PM me on the details?

Terry @ BMS 03-21-2018 11:09 AM

First step would be to track down someone willing to drive by our office here. Put the word out and lets see if we can track a car down. :)

jaddi85 03-21-2018 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS (Post )
First step would be to track down someone willing to drive by our office here. Put the word out and lets see if we can track a car down. :)

Awesome! I'll email you once I get a taker! :happy

RandallK 03-21-2018 04:41 PM

I am super stoked to be apart of this... Thanks again Terry!

Seanwilkirson 03-23-2018 05:30 AM

So far so good
 
Installed my tester last night and only got to drive it for about 10 minutes because it was so late, but I can say first impressions are VERY positive. Car feels more powerful any gear any revs. Used launch control and it noticeably removed the slight delay it had before. I can also feel my car squatting more than it did before.

CursingDingo 03-24-2018 04:54 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Was able to install the JB4 this evening and make a couple pulls with data. It looks like the boost is low, but I'm not sure Im reading the data right.

Killa200 03-24-2018 07:15 PM

Well I've got some not so encouraging news. I took the car out for a few pulls, and on pull three we most definitely has issues.

I ran the car in mode 0 (disabled) and twice in mode two (+4psi). The first time things went without a hitch. Drove a couple of miles and went to pull again, and about half way through a WOT pull I got a solid check engine light that went off after finishing the pull (got up to 80Mph and let off). Slowed down to make the turn onto another road, and when I gave the car a little throttle to start speeding up I started getting misfires and the check engine light was back on. Drove the remaining mile to my house in that condition, and when I placed it in park, she was idling very rough, definite misfire.

Fired up the laptop and set the tune back down to mode 0 (disabled) and gave the car a few minutes, then fired it back up. Car ran as normal. Gave it a few hard accelerations in park up to 5krpm, and everything still ran fine as can be, with no check engine light.

I've got the entire sessions (all three pulls) recorded on my snapon diagnostics setup (should be able to be watch on the free ShopStream Connect software, and pictures of the maximum pre-chip MAP sensor voltage for each of the pulls as well.

I've enclosed a zip that has the session file, the software to view it, and a picture of the max map sensor voltage reading named to match the mark where the max boost occurred on the SnapOn Playback.


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