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05-22-2009, 06:52 PM
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Thank you for all the work you're putting forth to get us the best power out of our cars.
Will you be doing a straight 91oct + meth/alky dyno soon so people who only have 91 will be able to see what is realistic day to day? It doesn't have to be 18 psi per se, just want see the benefits of meth on say map7.
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Throw some 100 octane in there and see for yourself what meth would be like! 
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05-22-2009, 07:04 PM
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Wow. Nice. Terry always delivers earlier than expected. 
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Thanks... we've got a lot going on around here but I normally always make time for the dyno.. 
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05-22-2009, 08:17 PM
Though I'd never go this route, it's good to see the stock snails can handle it. How many miles do you have on this system?
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05-22-2009, 08:51 PM
I really want to see some 1/4 mile runs with this much power..since its auto and with drag radials Im guessing 11.7@121.xx
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05-22-2009, 08:59 PM
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I really want to see some 1/4 mile runs with this much power..since its auto and with drag radials Im guessing 11.7@121.xx
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Probably going to have to wait a few months before temps come down for that. But I've got my eye on mid 11s. 
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05-22-2009, 09:22 PM
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Probably going to have to wait a few months before temps come down for that. But I've got my eye on mid 11s. 
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Must be tough to resist 
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05-22-2009, 09:37 PM
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Probably going to have to wait a few months before temps come down for that. But I've got my eye on mid 11s. 
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forgot its a 1 series, 11.6@124.XX
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05-23-2009, 02:12 PM
I need this so bad 
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05-23-2009, 04:04 PM
Just moved the nozzle to the factory rubber coupler... Will try to do some vbox testing later next week.
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05-23-2009, 04:15 PM
This is exciting stuff. Waiting for an idiot proof setup to come out from someone with good instructions and customer support.
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05-23-2009, 05:50 PM
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This is exciting stuff. Waiting for an idiot proof setup to come out from someone with good instructions and customer support.
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Meth is a pita to install.. But we're working on making it as painless as possible!
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05-23-2009, 06:22 PM
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Meth is a pita to install.. But we're working on making it as painless as possible!
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05-23-2009, 06:24 PM
True.. I'd rather install meth than downpipes!
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05-23-2009, 06:44 PM
how much to replace that part thanks
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05-23-2009, 06:53 PM
You'll have to find it on www.realoem.com. Not sure.
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05-23-2009, 07:00 PM
thnks will install tomorrow, will let everyone know how hard it was!
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05-23-2009, 09:00 PM
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Just moved the nozzle to the factory rubber coupler... Will try to do some vbox testing later next week.
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Was there any specific reason you moved it closer to the intercooler from where you originally were?
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05-24-2009, 01:52 AM
I thought you went back to stock DVs? It looks from the picture of the nozzle you're on Forge DVs with that hose.. Was that your answer to the hose popping off on the high HP dyno pulls?
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05-24-2009, 08:02 AM
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I thought you went back to stock DVs? It looks from the picture of the nozzle you're on Forge DVs with that hose.. Was that your answer to the hose popping off on the high HP dyno pulls?
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I went back to the forge a couple months ago. Never had an issue with hoses popping off, but there still is some mystery pressure drop off at very high boost levels. At 18-19psi doesn't seem to be an issue though.
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05-24-2009, 08:03 AM
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Was there any specific reason you moved it closer to the intercooler from where you originally were?
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To give the alky more time to evaporate before combustion.
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05-24-2009, 11:40 AM
Hey Terry,
Please keep us updated, that a spot that I was looking at for the install. But I don't have a Vbox to validate.
Thanks,
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Just moved the nozzle to the factory rubber coupler... Will try to do some vbox testing later next week.
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05-25-2009, 10:29 AM
Did some BT logging and it seemed to be fine.. although at the higher boost levels I'm testing at now I need a larger nozzle. Was seeing timing drop as low as 4 degrees on 91 octane, at around 17psi. Using a 6GPH nozzle now. Will be raising pump pressure up, and then trying a 9GPH nozzle as soon as it arrives.
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05-25-2009, 11:12 AM
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Did some BT logging and it seemed to be fine.. although at the higher boost levels I'm testing at now I need a larger nozzle. Was seeing timing drop as low as 4 degrees on 91 octane, at around 17psi. Using a 6GPH nozzle now. Will be raising pump pressure up, and then trying a 9GPH nozzle as soon as it arrives.
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Do you mean the timing dropped a lot to a low 4 degrees (meaning bad?),
or that the timing drop was "only" 4 degrees (meaning good?)
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05-25-2009, 11:37 AM
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Do you mean the timing dropped a lot to a low 4 degrees (meaning bad?),
or that the timing drop was "only" 4 degrees (meaning good?)
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It dropped as low as 4 degrees @ 5500rpm, which would be around 5 degrees lower than I see on VP109! So bad.. but I think more meth will fix it up. 
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05-25-2009, 09:09 PM
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It dropped as low as 4 degrees @ 5500rpm, which would be around 5 degrees lower than I see on VP109! So bad.. but I think more meth will fix it up. 
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I assume this information applies to the nozzle hose mounting location pictured above.
How does this advance curve compare with the previous "sound box" mounting location?
There does not seem to be much distance between the injection point and the
opposite side of the elbow. I would suggest relocating the nozzle in the elbow
such that it sprays directly downstream, so as to minimize any chance for wall impingement. Just my 2 cents.
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