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Default PS2 Dyno Results for my 135i, 491 whp, 501 ft lbs - 05-02-2018, 01:26 PM

After a year or so with the PS2, I was finally able to get my car back on the Dyno to see what type of power she is making and compare the results to my pre PS2 dyno numbers. This is on flash only.

The Dyno of my best pull, 491 whp, 501 ft lbs, along with the results with the stock turbo are below. The PS2 dyno graph is at 20-21ish psi and datalog labeled run number 6 is the log for the dyno pull. For some reason, the DCT was shifting a little early so that is why the PS2 graph is a little shorter than the stock turbo graphs. Really happy with the results. She was spitting some nice flames as well :thumsup:

Also, just wanted to say thanks to Jesse and the team @PureTurbos for their solid product and support, @newguy123 for my emergency Meth refill haha, and @WedgePerformance and @sbrach for helping me as I developed the tune for my car. Solid results IMO for 20-21ish PSI.

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PS2, Pure inlet, 3.5 inch y-pipe back exhaust, Injen intake, ER CP, **, ATM intercooler, stage 2 fuel pump, AEM 30-3350 meth kit with Devils Own DO10 single nozzle (100% Meth), n20 plugs gapped at .022, Delphi coilpacks.

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Stock turbo - FBO PPK 91 octane vs FBO, E30, E-tune: I believe the E30 tune had more power left in it, but I had my PS2 in hand around this time so I didn't invest more time trying to extract more hp. Timing in the top end is more conservative than stock by about 3 or 4 degrees, so there was more power left up top. IIRC, I don't think we were maxing out the turbo at tip in and midrange, so there was probably some room for improvement in that area as well.


PS2 - E30, Flash only at 20-21psi vs FBO PPK 91 octane vs FBO, E30, E-tune

PS2 at 20-21psi. Run 6 is the corresponding datalog below.

Fireball 1

Fireball 2


Logs:
PS2 E30 – 4/24/18 dyno logs
Run 6, 7, and 8: https://d a t a z a p.me/u/houtan/sb...og=0&data=4-18

Additional updates, results, videos, can be found here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1405434

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Default 05-02-2018, 01:46 PM

Such solid results for just e30 and single nozzle on an easy 20-21psi. Car is running strong and the log / graph look fookin awesome


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Default 05-03-2018, 07:38 PM

Can you show RPM instead? Were all of dyno runs done on 5th gear so 140mph=7kprm?

The spool is a bit slow (barely have 400wtq at 3250rpm/65mph) given it's assembly on 5th gear and you're on meth and ethanol which greatly helps spool already.

On 21~22psi, it's pretty much a maxed out state for E series N55. 491whp isn't a great number, as it reads pretty high to begin with - 303whp with FBO stock flash 91OCT.

Sorry all the negatives. Just cant help it.
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He could make it spool quicker and harder, but itís a street map where traction is already an issue. 400wtq at 3200 rpms is plenty for daily use unless youíre trying to burn the tires out everywhere. Maxed out, What are you talking about? Did you even look at the logs LOL he barely taps over 80% WGDC at the top, not maxed out bud. From 3500 rpms to redline itís making over 450WTQ/450WHP with a WAY more useable power curve. Perfect street map IMO and the log is gorgeous.

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Can you show RPM instead? Were all of dyno runs done on 5th gear so 140mph=7kprm?

The spool is a bit slow (barely have 400wtq at 3250rpm/65mph) given it's assembly on 5th gear and you're on meth and ethanol which greatly helps spool already.

On 21~22psi, it's pretty much a maxed out state for E series N55. 491whp isn't a great number, as it reads pretty high to begin with - 303whp with FBO stock flash 91OCT.

Sorry all the negatives. Just cant help it.


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He could make it spool quicker and harder
Not much of a difference it could've made.


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but itís a street map where traction is already an issue. 400wtq at 3200 rpms is plenty for daily use unless youíre trying to burn the tires out everywhere.
400wtq@3k2rpm on 5th on dyno doesn't remotely mean 400wtq@3k2 on street. Whenever downshift to 3k2 or higher, no way you have instant 400wtq, it takes a few, or a lot RPM to spool.


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Maxed out, What are you talking about? Did you even look at the logs LOL he barely taps over 80% WGDC at the top, not maxed out bud. From 3500 rpms to redline itís making over 450WTQ/450WHP with a WAY more useable power curve. Perfect street map IMO and the log is gorgeous.
Except log doesn't tell you how ridiculous pre turbine backpressure is when intake boost reads 21psi with our hybrid turbo.
Except there is no way to know how close E series N55 is to misfiring under that boost.


And, It's funny a street map involves meth and ethanol.

Apology I've gone a bit too far. Just relax.
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Can you show RPM instead? Were all of dyno runs done on 5th gear so 140mph=7kprm?

The spool is a bit slow (barely have 400wtq at 3250rpm/65mph) given it's assembly on 5th gear and you're on meth and ethanol which greatly helps spool already.

On 21~22psi, it's pretty much a maxed out state for E series N55. 491whp isn't a great number, as it reads pretty high to begin with - 303whp with FBO stock flash 91OCT.

Sorry all the negatives. Just cant help it.
The only thing to be sorry about is your inaccurate, baseless post. At least post some data up, which doesn't exist, to support your baseless claims. I typically don't respond to posts like yours, but you are spitting garbage in my thread and others may actually believe you.

To anyone else that may read the thread and data I posted: The results are awesome. I direct you to Terry's own N55 big turbo thread so you can compare other DYNOJET stage 2 results: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24788

I am posting DYNOJET data, you know, the one that everyone wants to see for comparison purposes. All of the pulls were done in 5th gear, the universally accepted gear for dyno pulls on a DCT car. The graphs use speed on the x-axis because the graph gets messed up when I switch to RPM. Another option is time on the x-axis, but since the stock pulls take much longer, so the graphs don't align well. The redline is around 7K RPM. The PS2 pulls were shifting around 6,400RPM on the DYNO for some reason, so that's why the graphs are a little shorter.

This is my tune, the spool is intended to be smooth. If you look at the datalog, I am asking the turbo to spool this way. Why? Even at the current spool, traction is non existent in 1st and 2nd (and I am on 275s), sometimes it spins in 3rd. There is absolutely no reason to have the turbo spool sooner, which will put unnecessary strain on the HW and result in a slower car. So as it sits, the spool is faster than needed around town, and at the track, the power is exactly where I need it. You will see at the upper end of the power band, where you will be when you are racing, I am around 21psi and the car is making 490ish whp. And as newguy stated, the turbo is far from maxed out. Its actually right in its sweet spot. I have room for more boost. I also have more room for aggressive timing. On newguys car, we have the boost at 25psi, and he will tell you that is too fast for the street. When he says tune for the street, he is not saying it as a compromise in power, he is saying this is a tune I drive up to the canyons in and beat the **** out of the car, and it runs perfect.

I am using a simple single nozzle meth setup to supplement fuel and reduce IAT. I know, I know, there are a lot of valid opinions on single nozzle meth, safety, etc. Even with a stage 2 pump, my rail pressure tanks above 18psi. I was hesitant to run the meth, but after using it for the past 6 or 7 months, I wish I added the mod sooner. For such a simple setup, it has given me just enough to run more boost, keep my rail pressure up, and the car absolutely loves it.

Let me know if you have any additional questions.

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He could make it spool quicker and harder, but itís a street map where traction is already an issue. 400wtq at 3200 rpms is plenty for daily use unless youíre trying to burn the tires out everywhere. Maxed out, What are you talking about? Did you even look at the logs LOL he barely taps over 80% WGDC at the top, not maxed out bud. From 3500 rpms to redline itís making over 450WTQ/450WHP with a WAY more useable power curve. Perfect street map IMO and the log is gorgeous.
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Love the setup man. Is that a vibrant 3.5 inch turn down muffler or?
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Love the setup man. Is that a vibrant 3.5 inch turn down muffler or?
Thanks. It's actually a 3.5" magnaflow (forgot the model) and the tip is just a welded on piece of 3.5" mandrel bent piping that I had the shop cut haha. Then he just sprayed everything matte black with some VHT high temp paint. Here are some pictures of the whole setup. Y pipe that goes from 2 2.25" or 2.25" to one 3.5", then 3.5" all the way to the muffler.
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Great setup! Enjoy and thanks for sharing.


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You will see at the upper end of the power band, where you will be when you are racing, I am around 21psi and the car is making 490ish whp. And as newguy stated, the turbo is far from maxed out. Its actually right in its sweet spot. I have room for more boost. I also have more room for aggressive timing. On newguys car, we have the boost at 25psi, and he will tell you that is too fast for the street.
25 psi if for sure too much in 1st and 2nd gear but in 3rd and 4th its a hell of a lot of run. I do think it is too much boost for the stock turbofold which is why I only did a few pulls at that level. I'd rather keep boost at 22 psi and lower and just up timing for more power. Thanks for sharing all of your results man.


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Great setup! Enjoy and thanks for sharing.
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25 psi if for sure too much in 1st and 2nd gear but in 3rd and 4th its a hell of a lot of run. I do think it is too much boost for the stock turbofold which is why I only did a few pulls at that level. I'd rather keep boost at 22 psi and lower and just up timing for more power. Thanks for sharing all of your results man.
Thanks and no problem.

Yeah, im running even less boost than you and the car is just an absolute blast. M4 flywheel is next on the list for me, or hopefully the Mfactory one if that gets good reviews.
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Great

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On newguys car, we have the boost at 25psi, and he will tell you that is too fast for the street.
Definitely - need to have a bit of play with my own setup to try and calm things down a little as, at 25psi, WOT gets very interesting

Don't want to hijack the thread but, @Newguy, are you running 25 all the time?

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M4 flywheel is next on the list for me, or hopefully the Mfactory one if that gets good reviews
Looking out for this too. At anything over low 20psi it feels like I'm almost needing to tweak things daily to keep the misfires away


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Fine by me. Congrats for the great results!

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The only thing to be sorry about is your inaccurate, baseless post. At least post some data up, which doesn't exist, to support your baseless claims. I typically don't respond to posts like yours, but you are spitting garbage in my thread and others may actually believe you.

To anyone else that may read the thread and data I posted: The results are awesome. I direct you to Terry's own N55 big turbo thread so you can compare other DYNOJET stage 2 results: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24788

I am posting DYNOJET data, you know, the one that everyone wants to see for comparison purposes. All of the pulls were done in 5th gear, the universally accepted gear for dyno pulls on a DCT car. The graphs use speed on the x-axis because the graph gets messed up when I switch to RPM. Another option is time on the x-axis, but since the stock pulls take much longer, so the graphs don't align well. The redline is around 7K RPM. The PS2 pulls were shifting around 6,400RPM on the DYNO for some reason, so that's why the graphs are a little shorter.

This is my tune, the spool is intended to be smooth. If you look at the datalog, I am asking the turbo to spool this way. Why? Even at the current spool, traction is non existent in 1st and 2nd (and I am on 275s), sometimes it spins in 3rd. There is absolutely no reason to have the turbo spool sooner, which will put unnecessary strain on the HW and result in a slower car. So as it sits, the spool is faster than needed around town, and at the track, the power is exactly where I need it. You will see at the upper end of the power band, where you will be when you are racing, I am around 21psi and the car is making 490ish whp. And as newguy stated, the turbo is far from maxed out. Its actually right in its sweet spot. I have room for more boost. I also have more room for aggressive timing. On newguys car, we have the boost at 25psi, and he will tell you that is too fast for the street. When he says tune for the street, he is not saying it as a compromise in power, he is saying this is a tune I drive up to the canyons in and beat the **** out of the car, and it runs perfect.

I am using a simple single nozzle meth setup to supplement fuel and reduce IAT. I know, I know, there are a lot of valid opinions on single nozzle meth, safety, etc. Even with a stage 2 pump, my rail pressure tanks above 18psi. I was hesitant to run the meth, but after using it for the past 6 or 7 months, I wish I added the mod sooner. For such a simple setup, it has given me just enough to run more boost, keep my rail pressure up, and the car absolutely loves it.

Let me know if you have any additional questions.
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Anytime I put a couple gallons of pump 100 in with my regular e30 mix it gets the 25psi dose. Otherwise I run a 21-22psi map daily and itís beast!


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Definitely - need to have a bit of play with my own setup to try and calm things down a little as, at 25psi, WOT gets very interesting

Don't want to hijack the thread but, @Newguy, are you running 25 all the time?



Looking out for this too. At anything over low 20psi it feels like I'm almost needing to tweak things daily to keep the misfires away


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Anytime I put a couple gallons of pump 100 in with my regular e30 mix it gets the 25psi dose. Otherwise I run a 21-22psi map daily and itís beast!
Sounds good


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Anytime I put a couple gallons of pump 100 in with my regular e30 mix it gets the 25psi dose. Otherwise I run a 21-22psi map daily and itís beast!
E30.is enough to get clean timing at 21 psi ?


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E30.is enough to get clean timing at 21 psi ?
Seems to be. Just look at the logs I posted. With 11 degrees of timing logs look great.
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Those pics of the underside make me so jealous - not a spec of rust! Just been under mine today and I can peel rusty bits of metal off

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Haha. Oh man, seeing that much rust would drive me nuts so I feel your pain. Iím lucky. We do not get much rain or snow the entire year in SoCal 👍🏽
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Looking at the first graph I though...."is this a tractor?" haha All about torque management as you correctly state to make the car driveable and top end happy.
Lol. Totally agree.

I had one Dyno pull on e30, stock turbo, that was really high torque (500ft lbs at maybe 3k rpm) but it wasn’t good setup for the street or track. Just tire spin. And was really hard on the hw.

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Too bad it's flash only but results look decent! The PS2s are always good for a solid 500whp with enough octane.


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Too bad it's flash only but results look decent! The PS2s are always good for a solid 500whp with enough octane.
Thanks. I think I could of cracked 500 with the M4 flywheel. Hopefully next year. For stock clutchpack, stock flywheel, she is running solid though.
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