N54Tech.com - Your Source for International Turbo BMW Racing Discussion
(#76)
Old
AWSAWS's Avatar
AWSAWS AWSAWS is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,369
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: 335i MSport DCT
Default 02-16-2017, 08:52 AM

510WHP on a GC



UK FBO 335i, GCs, JB4, PI meth, BMS CP, OCC, Braided brake lines. Diff Lockdown. TMAP sensor, custom bucketless stage2

11.79@119mph on stockers, CP meth (UK, Santa Pod)
11.74@129mph on GCs, custom port meth injection.
Reply With Quote
(#77)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-16-2017, 12:41 PM

Nice graph. Idk what people are getting at here lol. I followed the rules and i don't get credibility. Used a dyno jet. If i dyno on something else. They would say not a dyno jet. Use a dyno jet amd they go humm that cant be rite. Lmfao like i said before just silly. Im sure the dyno was good. I dyno at a very reputable vwaudi shop


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#78)
Old
BuraQ's Avatar
BuraQ BuraQ is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 139
Join Date: Nov 2011
Car: 335is DCT
Default 02-16-2017, 07:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
Nice graph. Idk what people are getting at here lol. I followed the rules and i don't get credibility. Used a dyno jet. If i dyno on something else. They would say not a dyno jet. Use a dyno jet amd they go humm that cant be rite. Lmfao like i said before just silly. Im sure the dyno was good. I dyno at a very reputable vwaudi shop
Take a look at my example posted, thats what you will need in order to eliminate excuses or doubts from others. Sometimes ya got to think like them in order to predict them. Keep in mind your posting on a predominant JB4 user site

The required data for a dynojet claim you have to show climate conditions via the dyno sensors and you need an external boost gauge from the dyno to verify boost in the logs. The reason for this in their eye is your boost could have been scaled to report lower boost. There are other things in the logs that will raise suspicion to question the boost.

Backing things up with 100-200 times validates the dyno also

Also, guys internationally dont give a hoot about US dynojets, they take them with a grain of salt. They respect vbox numbers instead.


2012 E89 Z4 sDrive35i M Sport MT
2011 E92 335is w/DCT
2007 E92 335i 6AT
Reply With Quote
(#79)
Old
v8bait's Avatar
v8bait v8bait is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 398
Join Date: Oct 2011
Car: E92 335i 6MT
Default 02-16-2017, 07:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
Nice graph. Idk what people are getting at here lol. I followed the rules and i don't get credibility. Used a dyno jet. If i dyno on something else. They would say not a dyno jet. Use a dyno jet amd they go humm that cant be rite. Lmfao like i said before just silly. Im sure the dyno was good. I dyno at a very reputable vwaudi shop
What would you like credibility for good sir? Dyno looks fine, no log posted but seems like it has been shared publicly for those who want to find it. Car looks to make some good numbers, good luck on your quest for times. People on this site are all running a JB4 with or without backend flash and all make the same power for boost, so they expect the same from other setups. That's not the case. I think BQ is blowing things up a little bit, it would be nice to know the correction factor but you're not selling anything or making crazy claims so I don't see a problem here.


Last edited by v8bait; 02-16-2017 at 07:44 PM..
Reply With Quote
(#80)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-16-2017, 11:51 PM

http://www.***********/u/goldfz8/log-...og=0&data=3-23

dyno on STD Correction


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#81)
Old
AWSAWS's Avatar
AWSAWS AWSAWS is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,369
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: 335i MSport DCT
Default 02-17-2017, 06:04 AM

We don't mean to have a go at you mate. It's just that dyno numbers can be tweaked up or down and read just about anything. The numbers are hard to believe based on knowledge and facts. Like just how much air is necessary for that amount of power and what the tiny stock turbos are capable of.
Only a physical test can really back up a claim like trap speed over a quarter mile, half mile etc. or 100kph to 200kph time on a flat level surface.
Take readings with a pinch of salt.


UK FBO 335i, GCs, JB4, PI meth, BMS CP, OCC, Braided brake lines. Diff Lockdown. TMAP sensor, custom bucketless stage2

11.79@119mph on stockers, CP meth (UK, Santa Pod)
11.74@129mph on GCs, custom port meth injection.
Reply With Quote
(#82)
Old
v8bait's Avatar
v8bait v8bait is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 398
Join Date: Oct 2011
Car: E92 335i 6MT
Default 02-17-2017, 08:45 AM

Yeah that log is a little suspect for 500 lol. But it's all good.
Reply With Quote
(#83)
Old
fredcase fredcase is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 258
Join Date: May 2015
Car: 07 335xi
Default 02-17-2017, 09:14 AM

Ya, no way you are making fbo 500whp on 18.5psi and 15-12 deg timing.

Might be worth another dyno run to clear that up.


2007 335xi MT, JB4, bms dci, 5"vrsf stepped fmic, **'s, vrsf full silicone inlets, mpp silicone outlets, er chargepipe, hyperboost diverter valves
Reply With Quote
(#84)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-17-2017, 09:36 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fredcase
Ya, no way you are making fbo 500whp on 18.5psi and 15-12 deg timing.

Might be worth another dyno run to clear that up.
Yeaa i could do that....but im not gonna waste money on satisfying this forum lol. Track opens on March ill update then.


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#85)
Old
Terry @ BMS's Avatar
Terry @ BMS Terry @ BMS is online now
Tuner
 
Posts: 22,047
Join Date: Jan 2008
Default 02-17-2017, 09:54 AM

Maybe it's the wrong log? This one is 16.6psi at peak HP. JB4 map7 targets around 19.8psi at 5500rpm and generally is good for around 440-450whp.
Attached Images
 


Burger Motorsports
Home of the Worlds fastest N20s, N54s, N55s, S55s, N63s, and S63s!

It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser and installer of any BMS part to employ the correct installation techniques required to ensure the proper operation of BMS parts, and BMS disclaims any and all liability for any part failure due to improper installation or use. It is the sole responsibility of the customer to verify that the use of their vehicle and items purchased comply with federal, state and local regulations. BMS claims no legal federal, state or local certification concerning pollution controlled motor vehicles or mandated emissions requirements. BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways. Please click here for more information on legal requirements related to use of BMS parts.
Reply With Quote
(#86)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-17-2017, 09:56 AM

It is the 3 logs from dec 16. Each was a different tune.


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#87)
Old
v8bait's Avatar
v8bait v8bait is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 398
Join Date: Oct 2011
Car: E92 335i 6MT
Default 02-17-2017, 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
Yeaa i could do that....but im not gonna waste money on satisfying this forum lol. Track opens on March ill update then.
I don't think anybody is criticizing, just letting you know something may have been awry. If you go and dyno again after adding a new mod and see a decrease in power, I wouldn't want you to errantly attribute it to the modification.
Reply With Quote
(#88)
Old
N54luvr N54luvr is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 51
Join Date: Jun 2015
Car: 2010 335i xdrive
Default 02-17-2017, 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by AWSAWS
No I didn't predict it mate. It's a calculated estimate based on weight and acceleration data. Just like a dyno does. Recorded off the cars dme via the jb4. All Dynos have to predict and make corrections based on algorithms.

Sorry to break your dream with a reality check. Better to be realistic, no?
Stop being a jealous ******er and just say congrats. What is it with you Wanks ?
Reply With Quote
(#89)
Old
fredcase fredcase is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 258
Join Date: May 2015
Car: 07 335xi
Default 02-17-2017, 01:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
Yeaa i could do that....but im not gonna waste money on satisfying this forum lol. Track opens on March ill update then.
Well, if your hp dyno numbers are bs. Nobody here is gonna believe whatever 1/4 mile numbers you post here either.

Not trying to hate, i think 500hp on stock turbos is possible, but, according to your logs, you ain't hitting it.


2007 335xi MT, JB4, bms dci, 5"vrsf stepped fmic, **'s, vrsf full silicone inlets, mpp silicone outlets, er chargepipe, hyperboost diverter valves
Reply With Quote
(#90)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-17-2017, 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fredcase
Well, if your hp dyno numbers are bs. Nobody here is gonna believe whatever 1/4 mile numbers you post here either.

Not trying to hate, i think 500hp on stock turbos is possible, but, according to your logs, you ain't hitting it.
Lol i guess i should stop lying i have an extra turbo mounted in the trunk. That's my secret also i had my nike sneakers that day and ran on the dyno to increase the power. Lol.
I don't need anyone to believe me im not selling any product just sharing info. Those who apreciate user to user shared info great those who dont keep it moving. It no surprise this platform has not gone far in 10+ years. People are more interested in disproving over understanding things.


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#91)
Old
BuraQ's Avatar
BuraQ BuraQ is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 139
Join Date: Nov 2011
Car: 335is DCT
Default 02-17-2017, 02:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
Lol i guess i should stop lying i have an extra turbo mounted in the trunk.
Bro dont give away our secret



2012 E89 Z4 sDrive35i M Sport MT
2011 E92 335is w/DCT
2007 E92 335i 6AT
Reply With Quote
(#92)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-17-2017, 02:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BuraQ
Bro dont give away our secret


I seen you tuned a car to 489whp. I have inlets and outlets i noticed after the outlets the car was performing much better.


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#93)
Old
fredcase fredcase is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 258
Join Date: May 2015
Car: 07 335xi
Default 02-17-2017, 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
Lol i guess i should stop lying i have an extra turbo mounted in the trunk. That's my secret also i had my nike sneakers that day and ran on the dyno to increase the power. Lol.
I don't need anyone to believe me im not selling any product just sharing info. Those who apreciate user to user shared info great those who dont keep it moving. It no surprise this platform has not gone far in 10+ years. People are more interested in disproving over understanding things.
This platform has come along way in the 10 years. I don't understand why you feel this way. If this platform has not met your expectations, why are you here.

Do you feel people's comments on the forums are holding this platform back?

Your sketchy at best dyno numbers, from a tune from a the same frankenturbo tuner, from a guy who "doesn't post much here" who seems to be pretty active in this that and another thread.

Whole thing sounds fishy as ****.

Just my 2 cents.

Good luck at the 1/4, hoping to see some sketchy details about your upcoming 11sec 1/4mile runs.


2007 335xi MT, JB4, bms dci, 5"vrsf stepped fmic, **'s, vrsf full silicone inlets, mpp silicone outlets, er chargepipe, hyperboost diverter valves
Reply With Quote
(#94)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-17-2017, 03:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fredcase
This platform has come along way in the 10 years. I don't understand why you feel this way. If this platform has not met your expectations, why are you here.

Do you feel people's comments on the forums are holding this platform back?

Your sketchy at best dyno numbers, from a tune from a the same frankenturbo tuner, from a guy who "doesn't post much here" who seems to be pretty active in this that and another thread.

Whole thing sounds fishy as ****.

Just my 2 cents.

Good luck at the 1/4, hoping to see some sketchy details about your upcoming 11sec 1/4mile runs.

Im here because i actually believe in this platform. Humm why i think it has not gone far.
There is really no results on a 1xxx hp car.
Built motors have been made but seeing results is like seeing a chupacabra or the lochness monster if your on the other side of the pond lol.
Pushing the platform does not exist really its always the same ****.
You look at a gtr which is a twinturbo6 like the n54 and companies are pushing things further every year. They do all kinds of events because that's the exposure you need to make a product sell.

Just look at car brands in the last 10 years in terms of aftermarket application/power/performance they are far ahead.(Mitsubishi, subaru, nissan,honda, vw, audi, mercedes) everyone of those brands have more achievement in the aftermarket community. Bigger builds faster cars.

The funniest thing to me getting into this was untill a few years ago there was not even full piping upgrades for the car which in the turbo community is the most obvious thing to change from the get go.


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#95)
Old
goldfz8's Avatar
goldfz8 goldfz8 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 247
Join Date: Aug 2014
Car: BMW 135, Yamaha fz8
Default 02-17-2017, 03:15 PM

Im not trashing the n54 i been a fan of the car since the 335 came out in 06 and the 135 was my dream car. Thats why im passionate about this platform. This was the only road to take its fun to try and make a name for this platform.


2008 BMW 135i MT: Stock turbo FBO
502whp 593wtq
12.274 @120.25. 60' 2.225
Reply With Quote
(#96)
Old
NA55 NA55 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 152
Join Date: Sep 2014
Car: E90 335i
Default 02-17-2017, 07:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldfz8
I dynoed my car a few years back and the log looked almost identical timing/boost/AFR to yours.. Car was FBO with stock inlets tuned on e60 using flash only and it put down 440 whp.

As others have mentioned, power doesn't agree with your logs.. I would believe it if you said boost was 26 psi tapering to 22 psi which are your logs equivalent scaled values if using TMAP scaling..
Reply With Quote
(#97)
Old
THE BEAST THE BEAST is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 308
Join Date: Apr 2016
Car: 2008 E93
Default 02-17-2017, 08:51 PM

So IF this car is 500 whp what would 1/4 mile times expected to be? Mid to high 10s ???
Reply With Quote
(#98)
Old
Newguy123's Avatar
Newguy123 Newguy123 is offline
Demigod
 
Posts: 1,702
Join Date: May 2014
Car: 12' 135i
Default 02-17-2017, 09:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by THE BEAST
So IF this car is 500 whp what would 1/4 mile times expected to be? Mid to high 10s ???
Times equate to traction, you would look at trap speed for an idea of power. 125+ mph IMO is what to be expected from a 500whp Bmw


12' DCT 135i
#PURETURBOS
#FUELIT
Reply With Quote
(#99)
Old
THE BEAST THE BEAST is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 308
Join Date: Apr 2016
Car: 2008 E93
Default 02-17-2017, 09:05 PM

Understood, but if it hooked it should do 10s ?
Reply With Quote
(#100)
Old
NA55 NA55 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 152
Join Date: Sep 2014
Car: E90 335i
Default 02-17-2017, 09:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by THE BEAST
So IF this car is 500 whp what would 1/4 mile times expected to be? Mid to high 10s ???
A lot of factors involved with different tracks as well.. If it were to do 1.6-1.7 60ft in perfect weather at a lower elevation track then I'd say 11.2 is possible, but would give a range between 11.2-11.5..
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com
Copyright 2007 - 2017, N54tech.com