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Default 08-14-2017, 04:56 PM

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zage? The awesome manifolds that are more restrictive than stock in places? c'mon now.

But hey, if you want to stand up for a vendor who's been defrauding his customers on other platforms, and obviously has no clue what he's doing on this one, go right ahead.
So restrictive that they've put down over 600whp with a TBI setup on E85.........

Yeah, I'll stand up for Doug. He's been in the VAG community for years with no complaints. Yes, it's the internet and people read trash on him from time to time in the past. They also read trash about Burger, Vargas, MMP, etc. It's the era of Forum Cred and whatever is on the forums is gospel. I'm sorry but I'm not playing.


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Over a thousand on Sunday morning? Damn. DAMN.

You probably aren't aware of the new Porsche vendors on PorscheBoost or new BenzBoost vendors. Be sure to keep your eyes peeled for new sites coming to the network as well. In the mood for a McLaren so I need to step the game up. I'm sure you can relate.

Unfortunately, while your post is quite eloquent and it seems without these types of posts my userbase is really missing out on some quality I have too much to do. Hey, 911's don't pay for themselves am I right?

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You are such a **** smoker.
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You are such a **** smoker.


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Peace offering of sorts

Hi Joe, I appreciate the fact you run an uncensored forum.
You will probably still find me annoying as I am childish and find it amusing.

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Default 08-14-2017, 07:22 PM

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So restrictive that they've put down over 600whp with a TBI setup on E85.........
Since when was the manifold ever a limiting factor to hit 600hp?

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Yeah, I'll stand up for Doug. He's been in the VAG community for years with no complaints.

wat?


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Default 08-15-2017, 07:13 AM

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Since when was the manifold ever a limiting factor to hit 600hp?
My point exactly. Especially since this is an entry level turbo.


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Who knew getting a red thumb shoved up your ass could provide so much butthurt?
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Hi Joe,

as much as I think you are a ****. I appreciate the fact you run an uncensored forum.
You will probably still find me annoying as I am childish and find it amusing.

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Then you banned me for ribbing you about your failed project then edited/deleted a bunch of my posts.
So not such an uncensored forum afterall.
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Default release - 08-17-2017, 01:28 AM

hi doug when are these going to be for sale to the public
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Then you banned me for ribbing you about your failed project then edited/deleted a bunch of my posts.
So not such an uncensored forum afterall.
You're not banned, just stupid. You literally just logged in.

Why won't you let me spam and why I am informed why my spam is removed? WAAAH WAAAAAH



Keep crying and then message apologizing and begging forgiveness.

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You're not banned, just stupid. You literally just logged in.

Why won't you let me spam and why I am informed why my spam is removed? WAAAH WAAAAAH



Keep crying and then message apologizing and begging forgiveness.

Nobody cares.
Arent you a gem
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If anyone is curious, you can get these castings from www.turboray.com via Alibaba or direct, made in China. They will sell manifolds only, CHRA's, complete turbos, whatever you want.

Complete setup is under $650 shipped. I checked these out a year or so ago.
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Default 08-21-2017, 04:56 PM

So,who's running them, cause at that price, I figure they'd be all over the fourms.
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If anyone is curious, you can get these castings from www.turboray.com via Alibaba or direct, made in China. They will sell manifolds only, CHRA's, complete turbos, whatever you want.

Complete setup is under $650 shipped. I checked these out a year or so ago.
Someone should pull the trigger and test the crap out of them!

I am certainly intrigued!


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Default 08-21-2017, 06:28 PM

Doug has said that the turbos are the "Chinaframe" castings. However, those that think that the $650 set is the same as what Doug is selling just doesn't understand the components of a turbo, which is very apparent in this platform. Besides the housing, there is also the CHRA and the turbine and compressor wheels.

While I prefer the larger compressor housing and full TD04 CHRA that MMPs use, there is definitely a market for stock size compressor housings and 'mixed flow' whels.

Just don't try and tell everyone that Frankenturbos are the same as the ones for $650 on Alibaba/Aliexpress.
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Doug has said that the turbos are the "Chinaframe" castings. However, those that think that the $650 set is the same as what Doug is selling just doesn't understand the components of a turbo, which is very apparent in this platform. Besides the housing, there is also the CHRA and the turbine and compressor wheels.

While I prefer the larger compressor housing and full TD04 CHRA that MMPs use, there is definitely a market for stock size compressor housings and 'mixed flow' whels.

Just don't try and tell everyone that Frankenturbos are the same as the ones for $650 on Alibaba/Aliexpress.
I have MMP's, I am just saying these are the basis of his turbos. They will sell you literally whatever OEM setup you want and will also machine them out for larger TD03 compressor/turbine housings (Candy still emails me every month or so trying to sell me turbos, haha). CHRA's look pretty similar to the Chinese version as well.

No clue on quality or longevity, just sharing info.


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Someone should pull the trigger and test the crap out of them!

I am certainly intrigued!
I was THIS close.

Shoot her an email, she is very responsive and helpful. Candy@turboray.com

Just adding some transparency to an very murky thread.


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Default What the heck does FF RPM Gain Do? - 09-02-2017, 01:58 PM


Further Experimentation with the JB4's Settings:
I've gotten a little bit better handle on one of the JB4's custom settings found in the Future Use D menu. This setting is called "FF RPM Gain", and the information published about it is pretty scarce. According to the JB4 Wiki page, disabling FF RPM Gain does this:
"...duty bias RPM gain can be manually set more precisely."
Well, here's how that translates in actual practice.
First we have a graph showing the JB4's FF Curve versus the Boost Duty Bias values I've entered manually. This is with FF RPM Gain DE-ACTIVATED in the Future Use menu.




The FF Gain curve follows the Boost Duty Curve pretty closely. In other words, with FF RPM Gain off, the JB4 has the FF curve strongly influenced by the manual Boost Duty Bias values.

If FF RPM Gain is turned back on, the FF Curve has more of a "mind of its own".




With the FF Curve having more flexibility, the PWM output of the controller does a better job of delivering the requested boost levels.




Here are the graphs for PWM output with the FF RPM Gain ON vs DISABLED. The two curves really aren't that different. It shows just how sensitive the turbos are to slight differences in control signal.




Turning off FF RPM Gain causes the JB4's calculations to be more weighted by the user-defined Boost Duty Bias values. So it's basically a means for more manual control -- and less self-regulation by the controller.

In the test passes I did with the FF RPM Gain off, the car felt uneven and weaker. Unfortunately, the FF RPM Gain function means the FF Curve will have more influence. And that means its 80% cap will be harder to push through. But I din't like the way the boost behaves with it off. I decided to give "FF RPM Gain" defeat one more chance. By lowering the Boost Duty Bias values to be a bit more "real world", the JB4 controller's PWM output is more effective. Here's a look:




You can see a small swale of underboost for a time. I can remedy that by fine tuning the Boost Duty Bias values through that range.

But the good news is that PWM is now going above 80%. And the boost values because of that are where they should be. 25psi at redline. On a timing map calling for 20 of advance. Love that E85. And the meth injection.


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The first beta set did 696 on E85 with a Fuel It TBI kit, TFT inlets,
AMS intercooler, VRSF **'s and a Stage 3 clutch with SMF from MFactory. Starving for fuel at that point. Pretty sure we will see 700
I must of skipped this, but if these were tested and run a 696 with a tbi, why are they trying to make power on direct injection? Gh cu j ,lm
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Default 09-05-2017, 09:05 AM

Because that number is not sustainable daily. The TBI just doesn't supply the needed fuel that the PI kit can. This car has access to E85 at the pump so it needs to be set up for that type of usage.


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Default 09-11-2017, 08:07 AM

Was I was getting at is there oviously able to make power with a tbi, now going with a new manifold with direct injection and meth. Is this a practical way to make 550hp daily? This seems like a lot of fuel for daily driving. Looking over all the treads, you can make good power with all these turbos by supplement fueling, it's the longevity that's a concern. It's not going to prove if this is an answer until these are out.
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Default 09-11-2017, 08:54 AM

Not the same car. The car with TBI was a different car and different owner entirely. MHD flash only no JB4 and no meth.


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Default 09-12-2017, 02:35 AM

It'd be nice to see these out there before 2020! I'm getting old!!!!
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