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Default 08-28-2013, 04:59 PM

ah that z32 photo on the wall never gets old. its like the goodluck charm of the power gods
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ah that z32 photo on the wall never gets old. its like the goodluck charm of the power gods
There are always some pretty nice high HP Zs there. They don't even get warmed up until 800whp.


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Anything done to the rear end of this car? Half shafts?
Driveshaft? Seems to be reaching the limit of these parts for MT
All factory right now. Which has been an issue with launching. It desperately needs a posi, 3.42 gears, and probably DSS half shifts.


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Default 08-28-2013, 06:13 PM

This is research I can really get behind.

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Would 93 octane and aftermarket mids/catback pushed it much higher?
Straight E85 should benefit this setup. As soon as this tank is empty we'll fill it up with straight E85 for some additional testing.


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Default 08-28-2013, 07:45 PM

Congrats T! What are u doing to this platform? Must re-tune my car asap! Stockers cant be putting out more than us RB guys, come on!


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Cool 08-28-2013, 07:54 PM

Who would have thought, three years ago, that a stock turbo car could make anywhere close to this much power.


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Default 08-28-2013, 07:56 PM

Congratz!! sooo a inline pump is necessary to achieve this HP? Just want to know what I gotta do
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Default 08-28-2013, 07:59 PM

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There are always some pretty nice high HP Zs there. They don't even get warmed up until 800whp.
I've owned a couple TT Z32's in the past. Awesome cars but owning a engine hoist to do most of the DIY work wasn't fun. Also the HICAS system annoyed the hell out of me. Those cars were WAY ahead of their time IMO.

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Who would have thought, three years ago, that a stock turbo car could make anywhere close to this much power.
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Congratz!! sooo a inline pump is necessary to achieve this HP? Just want to know what I gotta do
Order it, i'll send u to a shop to install it with a hook up price. He can do the install at night in his shop too. Get it done before SS!


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Default 08-29-2013, 05:57 AM

congrats Terry


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Default 08-29-2013, 06:21 AM

This is some feat. Simply amazing.

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I've owned a couple TT Z32's in the past. Awesome cars but owning a engine hoist to do most of the DIY work wasn't fun. Also the HICAS system annoyed the hell out of me. Those cars were WAY ahead of their time IMO...
Just saw this and I agree. The new Zs aren't even as complicated at that car was. That car was Bavarian complicated.


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Default 08-29-2013, 01:06 PM

@Terry - Does this BB flash use tables/parameters unavailable with the COBB BMS Flash or have you just tweaked parameters that are accessible on both?

compared to the 461whp run it just looks a bit leaner and more timing correct?
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Default 08-29-2013, 03:53 PM

They are different platforms and have some tables and logic in common while other tables and logic are different. Since the BB flash solution is free we'll be spending most of our back end flash development time there.


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Default 08-29-2013, 06:16 PM

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They are different platforms and have some tables and logic in common while other tables and logic are different. Since the BB flash solution is free we'll be spending most of our back end flash development time there.
I think you just convinced me to dump my cobb and use the BT for the flash. I also won't have to email you every other week to check for flash updates.
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Default 08-29-2013, 09:11 PM

The Cobb is great too it's just easier to have everyone on the same platform.


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Default 08-29-2013, 09:12 PM

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They are different platforms and have some tables and logic in common while other tables and logic are different. Since the BB flash solution is free we'll be spending most of our back end flash development time there.
Disappointing to read for those of us who bought a COBB from BMS to load the flash...


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Disappointing to read for those of us who bought a COBB from BMS to load the flash...
A little, but the Cobb has a high resale value. And great support.
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Default 08-30-2013, 06:44 AM

So....... Did i just waste my money buying a Cobb AP for the Burger Flash files?


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Disappointing to read for those of us who bought a COBB from BMS to load the flash...
Such is life unfortunately. The free software did not exist a month ago and today it does. On the Cobb's we sold there was not much profit in those. It was simply a service for customers who wanted one. Those who have them should not have too much of a problem reselling them should they decide to do so. The further away you get from forums the higher the resale price will be. So places like eBay, local non-forum based car clubs, etc, are a good place to start there.

The good news is the Cobb back end flash maps exist and work fine. In some cases (like the 335is, 1M), the Cobb maps are all we offer currently. So you can continue to run it. But let's be honest here now that that free option exists, it would be foolish of us not to make that the centerpiece of flash map development. Especially considering the programming environment is a lot more open.


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I thought you had to run the bb flash on map 0?

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I thought you had to run the bb flash on map 0?
You have to set it to Map 0 to perform the read/write.


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Such is life unfortunately. The free software did not exist a month ago and today it does. On the Cobb's we sold there was not much profit in those. It was simply a service for customers who wanted one. Those who have them should not have too much of a problem reselling them should they decide to do so. The further away you get from forums the higher the resale price will be. So places like eBay, local non-forum based car clubs, etc, are a good place to start there.

The good news is the Cobb back end flash maps exist and work fine. In some cases (like the 335is, 1M), the Cobb maps are all we offer currently. So you can continue to run it. But let's be honest here now that that free option exists, it would be foolish of us not to make that the centerpiece of flash map development. Especially considering the programming environment is a lot more open.
I wasn't trying to imply you were taking our money and running... just frustrated that if I want to get the best tune for my setup, I'll have to sell the COBB and buy a BT cable (and battery charger apparently). And by the time that happens, my track day season will be over. Maybe I'll wait and see if someone creates a method to use the $100 cable I bought for the Alpina flash.

Pay to play if you wanna go fast I guess...


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Such is life unfortunately. The free software did not exist a month ago and today it does. On the Cobb's we sold there was not much profit in those. It was simply a service for customers who wanted one. Those who have them should not have too much of a problem reselling them should they decide to do so. The further away you get from forums the higher the resale price will be. So places like eBay, local non-forum based car clubs, etc, are a good place to start there.

The good news is the Cobb back end flash maps exist and work fine. In some cases (like the 335is, 1M), the Cobb maps are all we offer currently. So you can continue to run it. But let's be honest here now that that free option exists, it would be foolish of us not to make that the centerpiece of flash map development. Especially considering the programming environment is a lot more open.
I have a BT cable and IJEOS ROM, I also have the COBB AP however I would prefer to load the BMS backend flash via the AP just for peace of mind as i'm sure that others prefer to do it this way if they already have a COBB AP. It's not worth selling the AP for $400 IMO. If I didn't have the COBB I would use the BB flash and probably will do in the future anyway if development of your backend flash via AP isn't up to speed with the BB versions.

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