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Default 11-27-2015, 06:04 PM

Did you remove an engine cover or it comes from factory like that ?
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I threw it in the trunk before driving off the lot. We don't do engine covers around here.


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Default 11-27-2015, 07:40 PM

That motor is interesting looking. I see they moved the airbox again, but I'm more interested in the new intake manifold and TB location. Its finally easy to swap the TB. Opens up port and polish opportunities. Where does that charge pipe go? Are both the inlet and outlet of the intercooler on the same side now?


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Default 11-27-2015, 08:13 PM

It's an air/water intercooler built in to the intake manifold as far as I can tell!


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Sweet, congrats T! Wish my garage looked like yours


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Thanks... Wish I had more spots. The 340i will be sleeping outside. Jon @ BMS has the baller ~5 car garage setup.


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Default 11-28-2015, 12:04 AM

WOOOOT congrats~!! you guys finally have it . Now the fun begins
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Got the prototype B58 JB4 up and running!
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Got the prototype B58 JB4 up and running!
Wasted no time whatsoever!


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any plans for f30 b48/b38?
i think they are more popular in europe
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Got the prototype B58 JB4 up and running!
Oh Sheeeet, wasted no time~!

Now to get it on the site ready for ordering
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Default 11-29-2015, 06:24 AM

I guess next week some preliminary results?


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any plans for f30 b48/b38?
i think they are more popular in europe
Yes, of course! We've already done B38/B48 tuning development for the new MINI which is carrying over to the B58 now. I hope to have one JB4 with CANbus working for all models, which detects the model itself, and adjusts accordingly.


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Been doing some evaluating of the stock tuning and the overall capacity. It's too early to share my thoughts but I can share it's running around 14psi peak from the factory. Quite a bit more boost than the N55 runs stock all else being equal.


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Wow Meaning B58 turbo is probably quite Tiny running 14psi to make same what power as N55 on 8psi ..


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Wow Meaning B58 turbo is probably quite Tiny running 14psi to make same what power as N55 on 8psi ..
Meaning probably not much room to get big numbers from stock turbo? Can it be worse than pwg n55 stock turbo?


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Default 11-30-2015, 05:03 AM

I believe the B58 puts out a little more power than the N55, but not justified with the 14psi. Its stated to have a smaller turbo, so I assume less efficient. Im sure Terry can get more power out of it, but I bet its even more biased towards lower RPM spool and poor top end numbers than the N54/N55.

What I am curious about is the limitations or advantages of that intake manifold. Air to water = awesome IMO, but it will not be easy to change the core and I dont like the idea of meth injection pre inter cooler. Though we know others have tried this before, it will limit nozzle size, etc. I guess we could upgrade the inter cooler pump or overdrive it with software, and increase the exchanger size in place of changing the actual manifold core.

Would be interesting if the A/W inter cooler is a improvement, I wonder if its interchangeable with the N%% manifold. I am sure thats WAY WAY down the line.
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The air/water opens up some alternative options such as a larger reservoir, better heat-exchanger, etc, but would be a headache to replace. So I hope it flows OK. The S55 air/water IC flows very well for a factory part and BMW tends to oversize things like this. So we'll see.

I'm very curious to get the car on the dyno for its initial baseline testing. Maybe it will just blow us all away on power stock. Or maybe its a dud. I'm hoping for the former!


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I would be concerned about that "lack of cylinder liners" detail. I can't ever see a coating holding up over time as a cylinder liner.

Water to air IC does not make it easier to modify either. You can cold box it though for drag racing.

Like all things BMW these days, it's probably give/take.
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The air/water opens up some alternative options such as a larger reservoir, better heat-exchanger, etc, but would be a headache to replace. So I hope it flows OK. The S55 air/water IC flows very well for a factory part and BMW tends to oversize things like this. So we'll see.

I'm very curious to get the car on the dyno for its initial baseline testing. Maybe it will just blow us all away on power stock. Or maybe its a dud. I'm hoping for the former!
When is dyno planned?


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Sometimes this week for sure. Busy with R&D at the moment. BMW has made some interesting changes to the tuning end.


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Sometimes this week for sure. Busy with R&D at the moment. BMW has made some interesting changes to the tuning end.
Looking forward to your RnD and Dynotesting later this week


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This is exciting! This motor looks like a beast on paper. Huge stroke, small bore, should be a torque monster. Can't wait to hear about the tuning details you discover!
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Turbo looks easy to reach...
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