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Default Upgraded ** worth it for map 2? - Yesterday, 07:44 AM

I'm running map 2 because of fueling. Is it worth it to get a **? I've heard back and forth about throttle closures so am concerned about grabbing this if it causes more issues than it helps.
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Default Yesterday, 08:50 AM

There is not nearly enough information about your setup, car, etc to even remotely understand what you want to know. Nor your goals. There are all sorts of different p1pez some with deletes and some not. Also I personally do not understand what “running map2 because of fueling” might mean...


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Default Yesterday, 09:01 AM

No gains, as long as you have the octane for that you will be good.


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Default Yesterday, 09:20 AM

Apologies for not being overly clear.

1. Stock 340i with jb4 on map2
2. In the end I'd like to have >400whp so looking at a tune/BEF in the future but right now wanting to stick with just the jb4 until there are more miles put on the tunes/bef.

The reason I'm on map2 (because of fueling) is due to having both my map2 and map3 logs reviewed and being told that I would need additional fueling to move to map3. I'm not looking to do meth at this point in time and I don't have easy access to e85 but do have access to 93 octane (North Carolina).

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Default Yesterday, 12:53 PM

I mean I think Payam probably knows more than I do, but at your "stage" I wouldn't expect major gains from putting in a p1pe, particularly if it's not got any deletes. Your limiting factor is octane, like it is with almost all of us on this platform. E85 by itself is not going to help you get to 400whp either, not with the DME fuel cap. Use race gas, and maybe the BMS intake and you could get to map 3. No guarantee it will get you to 400whp though.

You've ruled out your best bet, which is methanol with 93 octane gas. Outside of a flash tune and better octane, that is the single best upgrade for you at this point.

You could upgrade your stock turbo to a PURE stage 2. There's a thread for that in B58 as well. That kind of an upgrade, plus meth, and you will be roaring, even without the flash. Then the flash will layer on, allowing you to do even more, with richer AFRs.


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Default Yesterday, 12:58 PM

Completely agree. I feel like my options in the future are meth and intake or ******** and flash. Neither route is warranty friendly unfortunately but was thinking of going the flash route since it's "simpler" but I don't want to jump in too early out of an abundance of caution. So I guess my thought is would it be wise to get a p1pe without the kitties now and run that on map 2 or just wait and try and do p1pe and tune at the same time.
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Default Yesterday, 02:14 PM

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Completely agree. I feel like my options in the future are meth and intake or ******** and flash. Neither route is warranty friendly unfortunately but was thinking of going the flash route since it's "simpler" but I don't want to jump in too early out of an abundance of caution. So I guess my thought is would it be wise to get a p1pe without the kitties now and run that on map 2 or just wait and try and do p1pe and tune at the same time.
Not much about this hobby is "warranty friendly," but a flash is possibly the least friendly - BMW will know if you've flashed a DME even if you flash stock back. If you install a meth kit properly, you can hide or remove most of it if needed. No one outside of a body shop will be pulling your panels apart so the line probably not be discovered.

I speak only from personal experience, not as fact.

You have many more options than what you put forth in the future, btw. You could go full bolt-ons (p1pes, deletes, intake) + HPFP + LPFP + JB4/BEF + meth + turbo upgrade + manifold upgrade + .... the list goes on. Some things work well together and some things are interdependent. Like, a flash might let you put in some racing-only exhaust mods without throwing codes, etc. You gotta do the research on all the options.


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Default Yesterday, 09:02 PM

Are there any diys for installing/removing meth kits? I agree about the flash being decently easily discoverable which is why I'm holding off but as you said regardless of the route I go warranty risk is a hazard of the hobby. Maybe I have the wrong impression of meth but I feel like it will be a decent amount of time spent installing and tuning it to get it running well where a flash is more of a "one and done" solution and tends to run smoother.

I guess I'm looking for any steps I can start taking toward one of those directions or both. Not sure where p1pes fall on that list. Are p1pes needed for a meth setup with the jb4?
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