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Default 11-03-2017, 09:59 PM

I've never been a fan of spraying pre-intercooler due to pooling. If you going to install BCM with JB4 you have to remove intercooler anyway to reach boost solenoids... so why not to kill two birds with one stone


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Default 11-03-2017, 10:07 PM

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Looks that you have a good chance to do good Time 100-200
Or 62-124
I have a flash tune and I wanna add jb4 on it
Car is down at this moment, waiting for stage2 turbos to be shipped back
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Default 11-04-2017, 11:10 AM

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Car is down at this moment, waiting for stage2 turbos to be shipped back
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Nice
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Default 11-05-2017, 10:18 AM

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hello @Terry, here is 2 log of my car, with the same adjustments. once the throotle is "ok", the other time it closes. What do you think? I also notice that my car does not reach the requested boost. car configuration: jb4 beta kit + bms, E30, down_pipe. Racelogic 100-200 Korr. time: 8.26
Looks pretty good actually. Bank to bank boost is relatively close. 20psi is around 10psi over stock. So seems to be meeting request. Remember though since we are missing the DME logging parameter for factory boost target, we're not able to do perfect targeting, and forced in to that additive system.
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Default 11-05-2017, 03:57 PM

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Looks pretty good actually. Bank to bank boost is relatively close. 20psi is around 10psi over stock. So seems to be meeting request. Remember though since we are missing the DME logging parameter for factory boost target, we're not able to do perfect targeting, and forced in to that additive system.
Thank you for your reply Terry.

What do you think of this log? AFR is too high? What is de ideal AFR for the n63? On this log i haven't E85.
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Default 11-05-2017, 08:06 PM

Hi Terry,

Is the future use A implemented on this platform (values under 50 scale down the DME boost signal?) I'm asking because something with the ecu_psi math seems off to me and I think this would solve my bank 1 throttle closing issues if I could dial it back a bit.

See the attached log, example at t=13.25
Estimated dme_bt is: 9.8
Additive target is: 7.4
Boost is: 16.6
ecu_psi is: 10.2

The total target is: 17.2
Boost is .6psi under target, but the signal being sent back to the DME is over target. After this point the throttle closes.

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Default 11-05-2017, 08:07 PM

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I've never been a fan of spraying pre-intercooler due to pooling. If you going to install BCM with JB4 you have to remove intercooler anyway to reach boost solenoids... so why not to kill two birds with one stone
In our platform you don't have to remove the intercoolers to access any wiring for the install.

However, I have my meth bungs installed in the same place as you. Good luck. You're going to battle with a lot of blowout. If you have any questions feel free to PM me.
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Default 11-05-2017, 08:15 PM

Also, you know you have a customer here if you come out with the dual wastegate control for our platform
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Default 11-05-2017, 08:58 PM

The dual wastegate control board would solve one of the major tuning issues with the platform but we'd still have the issue of not having the logging PID for DME boost target, requiring an addition system, and the wonky PID we have in place now for the N63.


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Default 11-05-2017, 09:55 PM

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The dual wastegate control board would solve one of the major tuning issues with the platform but we'd still have the issue of not having the logging PID for DME boost target, requiring an addition system, and the wonky PID we have in place now for the N63.

I do understand no one has found a lot of the PIDs for the N63 yet, I was just wondering if the future use A functionality was included in our firmware so I could play around with reducing the ecu_psi just to see if it helps my car out at all.
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Default 11-06-2017, 10:32 AM

No the FUA setting only applies to absolute target maps.


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Default 11-11-2017, 02:02 PM

Here's a log on each map with dyno sheet to go with. Let me know if you want/need anything else. Stock '11 550i Pure stage 1 turbos & JB4

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Default 11-15-2017, 09:38 PM

Huge bank to bank boost variance. One bank is stock boost, the other much higher. So some physical issue to be sorted here.
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Default 11-15-2017, 09:45 PM

Could it be a bad diverter valve?
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Default 11-15-2017, 10:01 PM

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...We may develop another N63 board to accommodate this issue if there is sufficient demand...
With earlier N63 X5's and 550's falling prices, the average buyer is looking for a fast and tunable car...dare I say the V8 TT version of N54 guys. Yes, please :D


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Default 11-15-2017, 10:04 PM

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In our platform you don't have to remove the intercoolers to access any wiring for the install.

However, I have my meth bungs installed in the same place as you. Good luck. You're going to battle with a lot of blowout. If you have any questions feel free to PM me.
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Default E70 N63 X5 dash menu - 11-17-2017, 12:03 AM

Having trouble accessing the gauge menu on my X5, anyone have any insight on this? Just installed my JB4 this evening.
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Default 11-20-2017, 08:14 PM

Me too. Dash control wont come up. I tried the old n54 way an x5m e70 way. My blutooth works fine so I havent looked into it yet.
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Default 11-22-2017, 11:05 AM

I contacted the folks at Burger and the dash controls are not yet supported for the X5.
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The in dash controls work on some models but not all for the N63. The good news is JB4 Mobile is fully compatible so you can do everything on your phone if you need.


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Default 11-22-2017, 08:02 PM

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In our platform you don't have to remove the intercoolers to access any wiring for the install.

However, I have my meth bungs installed in the same place as you. Good luck. You're going to battle with a lot of blowout. If you have any questions feel free to PM me.
What do you mean by blowout? Can you explain us a little bit more?


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Default 01-03-2018, 01:57 AM

Hey guys, I have a couple quick questions before I jump on a JB4 Beta. I currently have a JB Stage 2 but i am only running it as a stage one because my DME harnesses are loose and I am afraid to tap into them. I am considering switching to a JB4 Beta for more power using maps 1 and 2. I have a couple of questions. Will I feel a large difference going from my Stage 1 setup to a map 1 and map 2 On a JB4 Beta? Also, can I run 25-30% e85 mix on Map 2? And does anyone have any dyno sheets on Maps 1& 2? (With or without e85 mix)

Thanks in advance guys. I really appreciate any help.

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Default 01-04-2018, 01:06 PM

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In our platform you don't have to remove the intercoolers to access any wiring for the install.

However, I have my meth bungs installed in the same place as you. Good luck. You're going to battle with a lot of blowout. If you have any questions feel free to PM me.
I can confirm that there is no spark blowout at all with dual cm7's nozzles on n63tu with stage2 turbos


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Default 01-14-2018, 06:34 PM

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I can confirm that there is no spark blowout at all with dual cm7's nozzles on n63tu with stage2 turbos
What settings are you running on the JB4? My understanding is that progressive meth injection is only on map 8 with map 6 being on/off only but reading though forums it's easy to be confused as opposed to a manual that lists everything. I've just upgraded to the JB4 from the stage 1 last weekend but I have to route the USB cable and the OBDII into the cab before I can test it and can't seem to get the time free to do those last two items.

Figure I'll try this out and then consider the BCM & meth system. Probably would have just ordered it now but my car has integral active steering so on the V8's that means another battery behind the regular one and thus, I can't use the BMS stealth tank unfortunately. My car doesn't have folding rear seats (how can a feature free on the cheapest sh*tboxes require an option?) so I'm debating what and how I will set that up.

My hope is with these N63 powered cars becoming cheaper all the time we'll see a little more demand to justify companies like BMS addressing things like dual wastegate control.


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