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Default RB turbo Rattle driving me nuts - 04-25-2016, 10:33 PM

Well its been almost two years since I put RB's in and since day one they have rattled. I have gone through three sets of solenoids. Last set three days ago with all new vacuum hose. Have changed every vacuum line in the car twice. Done multiple vacuum test and everything checks out fine. Have tired every possible position of the wastegate with the JB4 and still no luck getting rid of it. Contacted Rob last year before warranty was up and was informed he has never had rattle issue before. (First for everything). I have been troubleshooting it ever since. So I took the ********* of couple weeks ago to install the MMP inlets and took a short video of the rear actuator. Do these look loose to anyone else? I have no other complaint about the turbo's other than the waste gate rattle. Just really disappointed these turbo's are not even two years old. Not trying to speak bad of Rob or his product just want to if this should be normal. The front wasn't like this at all.
Does this look really loose to anyone else?

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Default 04-25-2016, 10:59 PM

Have you tried it w/o the JB4? My brand new OEM turbos rattled horribly with JB4 and I messed with the settings for months. It made it better, but it was still really embarrassing. Then I removed the JB4 and rattling was completely gone. Reinstalled it to confirm and rattling came back. I think the factory WG control is really good at keeping them quiet. I use MHD now and have no rattling when not using the rattle fix option which I think reverts to oem control.


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Have you tried it w/o the JB4? My brand new OEM turbos rattled horribly with JB4 and I messed with the settings for months. It made it better, but it was still really embarrassing. Then I removed the JB4 and rattling was completely gone. Reinstalled it to confirm and rattling came back. I think the factory WG control is really good at keeping them quiet. I use MHD now and have no rattling when not using the rattle fix option which I think reverts to oem control.
Yeah I have even removed it from the car completely and the rattle is still there. I have had the rattle since day one and I got the turbo's before the JB4.
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Default 04-26-2016, 04:57 AM

Looks like the waste gate arm needs to be adjusted. Have you shown this to Rob Beck?


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Default 04-26-2016, 06:05 AM

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Looks like the waste gate arm needs to be adjusted. Have you shown this to Rob Beck?
Not since I took the video but I did email him last year about the rattle. His response was he's never had any complaints or issues with rattle.
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Default 04-26-2016, 07:07 AM

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His response was he's never had any complaints or issues with rattle.
Presume to be the email we received this morning (1.5 years since the last), the one where we copied in pages of responses of suggestions from 2014- only to get this type of feedback of what our response was like online (ie. short, uncaring, etc). Much appreciated.

Anyway as stated back in 2014 all still applies. If you are hearing rattle on our NEW RB turbos something else is causing it. We have had only a handful of rattle complaints since 2009-2010 (which is a miracle considering all of the flaky components in this vacuum system), and every time it was something in the supporting control system as the cause. But if you do NOT address it quickly, as you are rattling you are wearing. Nothing can avoid this phenomena.

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Default 04-26-2016, 07:18 AM

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Presume to be the email we received this morning (1.5 years since the last), the one where we copied in pages of responses of suggestions from 2014- only to get this type of feedback of what our response was like online (ie. short, uncaring, etc). Much appreciated.

Anyway as stated back in 2014 all still applies. If you are hearing rattle on our NEW RB turbos something else is causing it. We have had only a handful of rattle complaints since 2009-2010 (which is a miracle considering all of the flaky components in this vacuum system), and every time it was something in the supporting control system as the cause. But if you do NOT address it quickly, as you are rattling you are wearing. Nothing can avoid this phenomena.

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It wouldn't have rattle if the pivot bushing wasn't loose to begin with. And as stated in his post, OP clearly did everything he could to trouble shoot (solenoid, vacuum lines, etc.) It is pretty clear from his video that the issue lies with the hardware, more specifically the WG arm and pivot.

With all due respect, my 7 year old stock turbos don't have that much play at the pivot, and mines rattle like crazy if I don't turn on FUD98. Can't imagine how bad these must have been for him.


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Default 04-26-2016, 07:25 AM

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It wouldn't have rattle if the pivot bushing wasn't loose to begin with. And as stated in his post, OP clearly did everything he could to trouble shoot (solenoid, vacuum lines, etc.) It is pretty clear from his video that the issue lies with the hardware, more specifically the WG arm and pivot.

With all due respect, my 7 year old stock turbos don't have that much play at the pivot, and mines rattle like crazy if I don't turn on FUD98. Can't imagine how bad these must have been for him.
Oh yes, because we sent him the worn out components we had laying around? LOL. Every component we make is CNC machined to .001" tolerance out of Aerospace grade USA high heat/anti-wear components. Superiority over the OEM components in every possible way, and extremely expensive. We've handled approximately 1600 OEM turbos so are well aware of what is normal, or what is not normal, most of them are worse than what is in this video.

Anyway using the best materials and design does not make them not wear, over time, if they are constantly subjected to a harsh environment. Any brand new turbos CAN and WILL rattle, this IS NOT due to wear... it is due to an external cause which does not allow the flapper to fully seat on the turbine housing when instructed. So as it hovers, it rattles, and components wear. Rattling is the worse possible thing for internal wastegate longevity, it is really as simple as that.

BTW- I've attached a picture of what wastegate components we manufacture in house, same design we've used since the beginning, with tremendous success. These come with every new set of turbos, same as designed in ~2009.

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Default 04-26-2016, 06:19 AM

Well now you have better info to share. That waste gate lid shouldn't be moving like that.


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Default 04-26-2016, 01:21 PM

Wow Rb is turning into another VTT....
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Wow Rb is turning into another VTT....
Haven't seen any bipolar rants from Tony lately. Has he gotten himself banned from this forum as well? Been strangely quiet for a while.


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Default 04-26-2016, 01:55 PM

On another thought, what grade of steel are these wastegates made out of?

Serious question, not trying to troll, really...


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On another thought, what grade of steel are these wastegates made out of?

Serious question, not trying to troll, really...
I've come to notice you sir seem to have a select few users on several boards you don't like, and you go out of your way to argue, and throw your .02 cents in. They could say the sky is blue, you would say the sky is grey.... (AUbeast transmission cooler thread most recently).

Not doubting your general knowledge, but I do doubt your sincerity and reason for commenting.

To be frank, you are probably a vendors worst nightmare, a know it all, that undoubtably would forever be displeased, and I am very certain would go online and post about how you could do it better or how it "should" be done, but they would probably miss your point, right?

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I've come to notice you sir seem to have a select few users on several boards you don't like, and you go out of your way to argue, and throw your .02 cents in. They could say the sky is blue, you would say the sky is grey.... (AUbeast transmission cooler thread most recently).

Not doubting your general knowledge, but I do doubt your sincerity and reason for commenting.

To be frank, you are probably a vendors worst nightmare, a know it all, that undoubtably would forever be displeased, and I am very certain would go online and post about how you could do it better or how it "should" be done, but they would probably miss your point, right?
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I've come to notice you sir seem to have a select few users on several boards you don't like, and you go out of your way to argue, and throw your .02 cents in. They could say the sky is blue, you would say the sky is grey.... (AUbeast transmission cooler thread most recently).

Not doubting your general knowledge, but I do doubt your sincerity and reason for commenting.

To be frank, you are probably a vendors worst nightmare, a know it all, that undoubtably would forever be displeased, and I am very certain would go online and post about how you could do it better or how it "should" be done, but they would probably miss your point, right?
Well, I am their worst nightmare if they have full of bs. You can hate me all you want for calling them out but that's the whole point of a forum isn't it. All too many times vendors participle in these forums for all the wrong reasons.

And about the trans cooler, once people get more data with the new jb4 logs, they will arrive at their own conclusion... And you know what, if people stick to the facts instead of rants and bs, none of this would have happen.


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Well, I am their worst nightmare if they have full of bs. You can hate me all you want for calling them out but that's the whole point of a forum isn't it. All too many times vendors participle in these forums for all the wrong reasons.

And about the trans cooler, once people get more data with the new jb4 logs, they will arrive at their own conclusion... And you know what, if people stick to the facts instead of rants and bs, none of this would have happen.
Ah I get it, you are the white knight, whisking in to save EVERYONE. I get it now, it all makes perfectly good sense, you are the whistle blower for the n54 community.

I think your overall attitude leaves a lot of be desired. Your overall condescending attitude that you claim is to "cut the BS" really doesn't fool anyone. We get it you are bright, and you want everyone to know it.

It seems like you follow the forums, vendors, products, shops, and n54 happenings, congrats, but what have you contributed to this forum that is close to what say Rob Beck had contributed, besides a biased, jaded review(s).

I don't hate you for calling vendors out, I find it humorous you only go out of your way for certain vendors, there is a difference, you bud are selective with your hate. Why aren't you shaming the OP for keeping on a set of turbos that apparently rattled out of the box? Guess we can chalk that up to your selective critiquing.
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Ah I get it, you are the white knight, whisking in to save EVERYONE. I get it now, it all makes perfectly good sense, you are the whistle blower for the n54 community.

I think your overall attitude leaves a lot of be desired. Your overall condescending attitude that you claim is to "cut the BS" really doesn't fool anyone. We get it you are bright, and you want everyone to know it.

It seems like you follow the forums, vendors, products, shops, and n54 happenings, congrats, but what have you contributed to this forum that is close to what say Rob Beck had contributed, besides a biased, jaded review(s).

I don't hate you for calling vendors out, I find it humorous you only go out of your way for certain vendors, there is a difference, you bud are selective with your hate. Why aren't you shaming the OP for keeping on a set of turbos that apparently rattled out of the box? Guess we can chalk that up to your selective critiquing.
And you are not acting like a white knight by typing all these rants up and hijacking this thread? Please...

I have no problem with RB, who I bought quite a few very well made parts from him and also called out Tony's BS for RB's sake over the years. But OP had a problem, and RB's attitude in this thread was disappointing to say the least. The same goes the guy with the trans cooler adaptor who is more interested in throwing diss to anyone who disagree with him than talking about actual data. So that makes me a white knight now, because you refuse to see the actual issue that are being discussed here? Don't even get me started on the amount of BS on the Frankenturbo threads...

Guess what, I did blame OP for not sending in his turbo earlier on e90post. Sure OP had a problem that he should have handled it earlier instead of sitting on them for 2 years (something he already admits, so no need to shame him any further), but RB is also trying to shift the blame by spewing up marketing BS, which I called him out for. That's it... If you don't like the way I talk on forums and how I apparently trying to sound smarter than everyone else. I am sorry, but I really don't have the energy to sugar coat every post I made for sensitive people like you... But I refuse to dumb things down and resort to throwing rants and insults like some of you guys here.

Anyway, I am done with your nonsense...


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Default 04-26-2016, 02:19 PM

Rob, is that amount of WG pivot wear to be expected after nearly 2 years? That's more than I've ever seen in a stock turbo even with 100k+ miles. Granted you've seen a lot more than I have!


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Default 04-27-2016, 04:16 AM

Shoot my factory turbos have more slop than that... still make 20 # and no smoke...just use the bits option for alternative wastegate algorithm...
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Default 04-29-2016, 08:28 AM

Sounds just like Rob's dismissing any other claims about his turbos malfunctioning. "If you're turbos are rattling it must be something other than my turbos -Rob" Same thing he told me with my oil burning and smoking, it must be something other than his turbos. No responsibility or accountability.
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Definetly should've sent the turbos back from day 1 since they were rattling. However, since you didn't, at the least your partially to blame. Next time have more Due Diligence in the beginning and not a year or 2 later. This makes me sad as I thought RB was a good company with amazing Turbos, but maybe OEM will always last longer and is the better choice. Or maybe it's luck of the draw?!
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Definetly should've sent the turbos back from day 1 since they were rattling. However, since you didn't, at the least your partially to blame. Next time have more Due Diligence in the beginning and not a year or 2 later. This makes me sad as I thought RB was a good company with amazing Turbos, but maybe OEM will always last longer and is the better choice. Or maybe it's luck of the draw?!
Yeah I definitely should have sent them back. I bought these May 2014 and contacted him about the rattle Dec. 2014 after changing everything in the vacuum system. His reply was to check the vacuum system. So for the second time I changed everything again and continued to troubleshoot. But I slacked off and didn't contact him again before the warranty ended totally my neglect. I really don't blame him or have anything bad to say about Rob. I hear more success with his turbo's then failures. Like you said I think it's just the luck of the draw. They still run strong and no leaks at all. Just get that crazy rattle going on.
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rb turbos are garbage, he is a full of bs and so is his "warranty" he will always find a way to avoid responsibility
lol, this is why no one wins when you treat your customers and fellow readers like idiots...


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lol, this is why no one wins when you treat your customers and fellow readers like idiots...
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Wow!!!! What a joke of a thread this is... really shows the forums how rb treats a high paying customer.. I was looking at picking up a pair of rb turbos but f that ish... poooooor customer service and to be so dismisive on forums whilst admiting running into the issue prior.. regardless if was a handful of people. Jesus, so glad i read all this bs and avoided a huge headache.. good lorddddd what a joke...
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