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Default 135i BMS FFTEC Single Turbo Dyno Testing - 01-30-2014, 02:59 PM

Hey guys,

Been racking up miles on the 135i and fixing little things. And finally had a chance to get to the dyno today for some baseline testing. As I've mentioned in the other thread I've been VERY pleased with the FFTEC twin scroll top mount 5862 kit. On road performance and spool is much better than any other combinations I've driven.

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~E30 mix for for 17psi runs. For 20psi+ runs enabled meth kit for fueling using a single CM10 nozzle.

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1) Was not going after any power records so left the tuning very conservative all around. At the same boost levels there is easily another 15hp in this setup with more advance. And no reason this turbo can't be cranked up to 28psi when the trans is ready.
2) It made a lot more power than I was expecting. It's basically on pace with the 6466 at these lower boost levels only with much better spool.
3) If the trans would shift this car would be seriously quick. I'll get to work on that ASAP.

Video of one of the 23psi runs:
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Default 01-30-2014, 03:09 PM

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Absolutely brilliant! That car is a monster now!

Oh, and a...video!? Lol so proud of you T
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Default 01-30-2014, 04:35 PM

Such Wonderful. Much want. Wow.

I priced out the original FFTEC single kit, and it + supporting mods was 12 grand. Are the top mount kits any more reasonable?

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awesome job Terry,


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Default 01-30-2014, 04:59 PM

Sick!! Awesome Terry. Love seeing these kind of updates!
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Such Wonderful. Much want. Wow.

I priced out the original FFTEC single kit, and it + supporting mods was 12 grand. Are the top mount kits any more reasonable?
I'd have to defer to them for pricing. I didn't really keep track. This sort of performance and bolt in convenience is relatively expensive though. Add in a long block rebuild and a trans rebuild and you could easily double the value of your car in mods. On the other hand, it's a lot of fun.


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Default 01-30-2014, 06:00 PM

it looks like this setup reaches 20psi around 200-300rpm sooner than the 6466 setup, and makes less peak torque per hp at the same rpm as the 6466 you tested?
area under the curve pre 4000rpm though looks much nicer...
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wow! 15psi at 2k rpm and 21psi at 3k rpm! that's insane!


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Curious what kind of cutout you have?
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More like 15psi at 3000 and 20 at 4000


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Curious what kind of cutout you have?


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Nice, do you have an electronic valve on it? If so, which one?
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yep my mistake - still great numbers...


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Default 01-30-2014, 07:19 PM

FWIW runs were done on a AT in 4th gear. Spool under real world load is maybe 200-300rpm quicker.


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FWIW runs were done on a AT in 4th gear. Spool under real world load is maybe 200-300rpm quicker.

thats about what it looked like in the logs. Seems like it takes 2 more psi to make 6466 power with this turbo. with area under the curve before around 4250 being better


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thats about what it looked like in the logs. Seems like it takes 2 more psi to make 6466 power with this turbo. with area under the curve before around 4250 being better
It's not apples to apples as the 6466 was tested in 5th gear so under a lot more load. But this is close enough to get a feeling for what is going on at 21psi with each turbo. Blue is 6466 and red is 5862.
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AWESOME!!!!!!! You are the man Terry....
About how long does it take FFTEC to do the install on the top mount??
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It's not apples to apples as the 6466 was tested in 5th gear so under a lot more load. But this is close enough to get a feeling for what is going on at 21psi with each turbo. Blue is 6466 and red is 5862.
what happens to the 5862 above 7000rpm?


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what happens to the 5862 above 7000rpm?
Who knows. Auto trans upshifts at ~6700rpm.


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AWESOME!!!!!!! You are the man Terry....
About how long does it take FFTEC to do the install on the top mount??
I think it's just a normal ~$1500 labor charge. Check with them for addl details on that though.


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i like the super linear band of the 5862 but i still think the 6466 is better suited to my goals. Maybe ill keep a 5862 handy on the side lol


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Terry

What's max boost this motor can run without pushing it? 25psi? This is a stock block I'm assuming.

But really great work so far.
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