[XLR8MF]

I have read about this challenge for some time. For those of you who are wondering what is going on well here it is. Bob Lutz was so happy that the CTS-V beat the BMW M5 in Germany that he challenged any stock car to race him in a hot lap. Well it only took a novice in a M3 to shut him up.
Yeah it was a well designed publicity stunt but i'm sure they were not expecting to get beat by some kid from Long Island. Way to BMW!
Just wanted to share with the N54tech community: enjoy.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...rers/Cadillac/

[SLV335I]

The CTS-V is still a faster car. I would take it over the M3 if I was choosing right now. Pulley change and a tune and you are over 600RWHP.

[jtsherri]

This also says a lot for the M3 though... I'm guessing one can *really* feel the weight of the CTS-V at the limits, which is likely the reason it took professionals to out-wheel the M3.

I must say, if you'd told me an M3 would put up that much of a fight prior to reading this, I'd have never thought it would stand a chance, but I'm truly impressed.

[XLR8MF]

Originally Posted by jtsherri

This also says a lot for the M3 though... I'm guessing one can *really* feel the weight of the CTS-V at the limits, which is likely the reason it took professionals to out-wheel the M3.

I must say, if you'd told me an M3 would put up that much of a fight prior to reading this, I'd have never thought it would stand a chance, but I'm truly impressed.

Those were my thoughts exactly. What would a ringer in a M3 do. Considering the M3 is down approximately 140hp I was very impressed.

[335ilurker]

Especially since the dude driving the M3 has had a license for only 5 years.

Must have done a ton of laps on GT4.

[BavarianBullet]

All good comments here. I got a big kick out of reading the twitter etc on this.

The CTS-V had at least 2 ringers for drivers and a single M3 and single M5 with their owners (the M5 guy never drove the track before the event) driving them still did well. The kid with the M3 is either a heck of a driver or the M3 really is that much of a track monster.

CTS-V is definitely a cool car but I'm not sold on the styling. Kudos to Bob Lutz though. Pretty spry for a nearly 80yr old man and pretty respectable lap times.

Mark my words: one of the major car mags (or BMW corp!) has got to want to rerun this event with a few changes- like real drivers in all of the cars. Given the track is in Westchester it might have to wait until April or May though.

'May the best car win.'

[SLV335I]

Don't you think if the M3 was as fast or a faster car around a track it would have a faster time around the nurburgring? They both have pro drivers and the CTS-V beats it. Congrats to the guy in the M3 but the CTS-V is still a faster car. Case closed.

[XLR8MF]

Well Cadillac had to put a SC on it to make it fast. Put a G-Power or ESS SC then it would be FI vs FI.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by XLR8MF

Well Cadillac had to put a SC on it to make it fast. Put a G-Power or ESS SC then it would be FI vs FI.

This is an OEM contest, not an aftermarket showdown.

[SLV335I]

Originally Posted by XLR8MF

Well Cadillac had to put a SC on it to make it fast. Put a G-Power or ESS SC then it would be FI vs FI.

The CTS-V with just a pulley and tune made over 610 RWHP. Good Luck with that. But just like the post above its OEM not modded aftermarket parts.

[BH335i]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

Don't you think if the M3 was as fast or a faster car around a track it would have a faster time around the nurburgring? They both have pro drivers and the CTS-V beats it. Congrats to the guy in the M3 but the CTS-V is still a faster car. Case closed.

Agreed. Lutz is not a pro, and he's about 80. He's gotta have a little more fear and delayed reactions than the kid in the M3. If I was driving the CTS-V, he wouldn't have touched me. But then again, i'm nuts.

[BavarianBullet]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

Don't you think if the M3 was as fast or a faster car around a track it would have a faster time around the nurburgring? They both have pro drivers and the CTS-V beats it. Congrats to the guy in the M3 but the CTS-V is still a faster car. Case closed.

I agree the CTS-V is a faster car in a drag race with less lbs/HP etc and it certainly can handle and proved itself well in many tests.

At Monticello, the single m3 with a non-pro driver beat 4 of the 7 CTS-Vs and the 3 that beat him did it by 1, 2, and 4 seconds with more experienced drivers.

Real Nürburgring (Nordschleife) times by pro drivers aren't as easy to come by as I thought either. The 7.59 by Heinricy in the CTS-V is impressive. The only E92 M3 time I've really seen is an 8:05 by a car mag. I don't know of any BMW press-released e92 M3 with a driver like Heinricy behind the wheel.

[SLV335I]

Originally Posted by BavarianBullet

I agree the CTS-V is a faster car in a drag race with less lbs/HP etc and it certainly can handle and proved itself well in many tests.

At Monticello, the single m3 with a non-pro driver beat 4 of the 7 CTS-Vs and the 3 that beat him did it by 1, 2, and 4 seconds with more experienced drivers.

Real Nürburgring (Nordschleife) times by pro drivers aren't as easy to come by as I thought either. The 7.59 by Heinricy in the CTS-V is impressive. The only E92 M3 time I've really seen is an 8:05 by a car mag. I don't know of any BMW press-released e92 M3 with a driver like Heinricy behind the wheel.

The M3 lap time was set by Horst Von Saurma who also in 2004 set the lap record for a production car driving a Carrera GT in 7 min 32 sec. So I'm sure that M3 time is about as good as it's going to get for a stock M3.

[BH335i]

Michael Cooper, the guy w the M3 who beat all the other consumers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFr_CHvL8DA

and here too about half way down the page, his name is the//m3

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=316798&page=3

[LYLE LUKAS]

I personally know the guy who drove his M3 there. He is a TOOL that put two Z06's threw fences about 6-8 months before this, they also own a bran new GTR and had a GT35R AM turbo Evo 9 all at one time. His one friend who has a Z06 and a bran new Sti drives formula one at the age of 18. Him and his twin brother and his friend are tools who are just spoiled rich kids and mind you both sets of parents for the twins and his good friend are multi millionares and just front all the money for the shenanigans they pull over at the local race spot.

Great to see a BMW win but if you know anything and have met these kids on NUMEROUS occassions over years you would not be so proud, as I have and still currently deal with. By the way I smoked the doors off of his E90 M3 in manual. I had all my mods on with map 11 on vp109, so obviously it was a cake walk but it was just one of the nights he was there and I was open to any races.........end rant........

[LYLE LUKAS]

Btw my boys Evo 9 on a Red label on E85 raced their friends (one who drives formula 1) tuned/exhaust 2009 Z06 in a 1/4 mile race for $100 and they wouldn't pay up. Mind you we were concentrating on my boys car who had severe problems at the end of the race and was stuck on the side of the road so I didnt drive down the road to influence the situation for them to pay up.

[BH335i]

Originally Posted by LYLE LUKAS

I personally know the guy who drove his M3 there. He is a TOOL that put two Z06's threw fences about 6-8 months before this, they also own a bran new GTR and had a GT35R AM turbo Evo 9 all at one time. His one friend who has a Z06 and a bran new Sti drives formula one at the age of 18. Him and his twin brother and his friend are tools who are just spoiled rich kids and mind you both sets of parents for the twins and his good friend are multi millionares and just front all the money for the shenanigans they pull over at the local race spot.

Great to see a BMW win but if you know anything and have met these kids on NUMEROUS occassions over years you would not be so proud, as I have and still currently deal with. By the way I smoked the doors off of his E90 M3 in manual. I had all my mods on with map 11 on vp109, so obviously it was a cake walk but it was just one of the nights he was there and I was open to any races.........end rant........

Dude, who cares if this guy is a tool or not. He's a kid who beat Bob Lutz, and if he has money, so what? Honestly he seems pretty humble and like he knows about racing. If you don't like the guy, that's fine, but putting a Z06 or 2 THROUGH a fence doesn't exactly make him a tool. Calling him a tool without any real description as to why, other than the fact that his parents are well off, makes you look like a jealous tool.

Just my $0.02

[LYLE LUKAS]

Originally Posted by BH335i

Dude, who cares if this guy is a tool or not. He's a kid who beat Bob Lutz, and if he has money, so what? Honestly he seems pretty humble and like he knows about racing. If you don't like the guy, that's fine, but putting a Z06 or 2 THROUGH a fence doesn't exactly make him a tool. Calling him a tool without any real description as to why, other than the fact that his parents are well off, makes you look like a jealous tool.

Just my $0.02

My parents and myself are VERY well off too, he just likes to boast about things like that. My wording was bad in the above paragraph but when you are going to sh1t on people with numerous cars that have done tons of work themselves and think everyone is below you then you are a tool. Obviously since the camera is on him and he going up against a car with 150 more hp and tq I would be humble too even if i had great driving skills. I live a humble life even though I could easily live my life in the same manner as him. Its frustrating because you really can not understand how much of a tool this kid really is. I also worked for ESPN, ABC and AOL Time warner as an intern while at college since my aunt who is VP of aol time warner who got me the in's at each company is VERY WELL OFF and when the camera is on and off people, ALOT of them act entirely different. But who wants to hear about my "well off parents, family members and myself," I know certainly I don't want to and I bet you don't either. So to each his own my friend, don't believe everything you read in the paper, magazines and see on TV. You must be a very gullable individual........

[BH335i]

Originally Posted by LYLE LUKAS

My parents and myself are VERY well off too, he just likes to boast about things like that. My wording was bad in the above paragraph but when you are going to sh1t on people with numerous cars that have done tons of work themselves and think everyone is below you then you are a tool. Obviously since the camera is on him and he going up against a car with 150 more hp and tq I would be humble too even if i had great driving skills. I live a humble life even though I could easily live my life in the same manner as him. Its frustrating because you really can not understand how much of a tool this kid really is. I also worked for ESPN, ABC and AOL Time warner as an intern while at college since my aunt who is VP of aol time warner who got me the in's at each company is VERY WELL OFF and when the camera is on and off people, ALOT of them act entirely different. But who wants to hear about my "well off parents, family members and myself," I know certainly I don't want to and I bet you don't either. So to each his own my friend, don't believe everything you read in the paper, magazines and see on TV. You must be a very gullable individual........

So you don't like this guy because he's boasting, and you live a humble life, yet you're telling me how VERY WELL OFF you and your family members are. You're right, I don't want to hear about how well off you and your family are, it has little to do with N54 tech, the m3 kid, or anything else I could care about.

I must be a very gullible individual? Obviously a humble statement from a humble man.

[LYLE LUKAS]

Originally Posted by BH335i

So you don't like this guy because he's boasting, and you live a humble life, yet you're telling me how VERY WELL OFF you and your family members are. You're right, I don't want to hear about how well off you and your family are, it has little to do with N54 tech, the m3 kid, or anything else I could care about.

I must be a very gullible individual? Obviously a humble statement from a humble man.

Considering that you believe every thing you see on TV or on the internet then yes I would come up with that conclusion.

It's also not that he boasts but that he treats people with disdain everytime I see him. You are obviously just a BMW fan boy who just see's him as winning this race as a major accomplishment and can not stop defending him since you are a pompous individual yourself and can relate. Also i see you are new here. If you would like to learn the ropes I have no problem helping you because alot of extreme comments come from this community claiming things that you should not always believe (in no relation is this comment directed at Terry though). How old are you?

[BH335i]

Originally Posted by LYLE LUKAS

Considering that you believe every thing you see on TV or on the internet then yes I would come up with that conclusion.

It's also not that he boasts but that he treats people with disdain everytime I see him. You are obviously just a BMW fan boy who just see's him as winning this race as a major accomplishment and can not stop defending him since you are a pompous individual yourself and can relate. Also i see you are new here. If you would like to learn the ropes I have no problem helping you because alot of extreme comments come from this community claiming things that you should not always believe (in no relation is this comment directed at Terry though). How old are you?

You do know the assumption saying - "assuming makes an ass of you and me"

You assume that 1) I believe everything I read or see in the media 2) I'm a "BMW Fan-boy" and 3) that I'm pompous.

I've got news for you - I know the media business firsthand, and don't believe one percent of what I see or read in the media. So you can throw that assumption out the window. Secondly, I'm a much bigger fan of the CTS-V than I am of the M3 and M5 - no fanboy here. Thirdly, if anybody is pompous, it's you and your braggart statements of how VERY WELL OFF you are.

Have I insulted you? Have I said how much money I have? No, probably because I'm so pompous right?

If this M3 kid treats people with disdain - which is very toolish - maybe you should have said that in your first post, instead of ranting and insulting me. Yes, I am new here, and you sir are not doing a very good job of representing the N54tech community by insulting me based on invalid assumptions. My age has about as much to do with N54tech as how VERY WELL OFF you are.

I appreciate your offer to "show me the ropes" but we have clearly gotten off on the wrong foot here.

Peace

[JonMartin]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

Don't you think if the M3 was as fast or a faster car around a track it would have a faster time around the nurburgring? They both have pro drivers and the CTS-V beats it. Congrats to the guy in the M3 but the CTS-V is still a faster car. Case closed.

Probably because the M3 is missing 140hp compared to the Cadillac. The M3 is a faster track car period you forget the Nurburgring is a high speed track you can get really fast in some parts and a 6 second difference is easy to make with that much extra HP on a 13 mile lap. Obviously the CTS-V is making up its time with its power advantage in the straights.

Originally Posted by XLR8MF

Well Cadillac had to put a SC on it to make it fast. Put a G-Power or ESS SC then it would be FI vs FI.

Exactly... Or even just a couple decent Bolt ons. The M3 GTS is supposed to do a 7:40 on the ring and it only has like 30hp more then a standard M3 and a couple hundred pounds lighter with all the same basic stuff you can do to any M3 like,Lightweight Race seats (which cadillac also had when they did 7:59 btw) Lightweight exhaust , Better rubber nothing exotic.

Originally Posted by SLV335I

The CTS-V with just a pulley and tune made over 610 RWHP. Good Luck with that. But just like the post above its OEM not modded aftermarket parts.

a Supercharged M3 can make 600whp also. Not that it needs that much to beat the CTS-V anyway...

[SLV335I]

Originally Posted by JonMartin

Probably because the M3 is missing 140hp compared to the Cadillac. The M3 is a faster track car period you forget the Nurburgring is a high speed track you can get really fast in some parts and a 6 second difference is easy to make with that much extra HP on a 13 mile lap. Obviously the CTS-V is making up its time with its power advantage in the straights.



Exactly... Or even just a couple decent Bolt ons. The M3 GTS is supposed to do a 7:40 on the ring and it only has like 30hp more then a standard M3 and a couple hundred pounds lighter with all the same basic stuff you can do to any M3 like,Lightweight Race seats (which cadillac also had when they did 7:59 btw) Lightweight exhaust , Better rubber nothing exotic.



a Supercharged M3 can make 600whp also. Not that it needs that much to beat the CTS-V anyway...

Don't let the CTS-V get under your skin and your Super M3. Also remember that the CTS-V weighs a lot more than the M3 that's why it needs more power. And as for the 600RWHP, that's just with a pulley and tune. Good luck beating the CTS-V if the blower gets upgraded and a few other bolt on's are used for a lot less money. Let us see any supercharged E92 M3 keep up with that.

[JonMartin]

Originally Posted by SLV335I

Don't let the CTS-V get under your skin and your Super M3. Also remember that the CTS-V weighs a lot more than the M3 that's why it needs more power. And as for the 600RWHP, that's just with a pulley and tune. Good luck beating the CTS-V if the blower gets upgraded and a few other bolt on's are used for a lot less money. Let us see any supercharged E92 M3 keep up with that.

LOL get under my skin? ya really I'm really worried about that Government issue rental car.... I mean Cadillac. It would make a nice car for my grandparents or something but people that think the CTS-V is some kind of performance car all of a sudden (becuse it makes big horsepwer) make me laugh real hard. Horsepower is what its all about afterall right? Next you're gonna tell me the CTS-V is better car then a GT3-RS because it might blow its doors off in a straight line with the right non government issue parts for less money right?

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by JonMartin

LOL get under my skin? ya really I'm really worried about that Government issue rental car.... I mean Cadillac. It would make a nice car for my grandparents or something but people that think the CTS-V is some kind of performance car all of a sudden (becuse it makes big horsepwer) make me laugh real hard. Horsepower is what its all about afterall right? Next you're gonna tell me the CTS-V is better car then a GT3-RS because it might blow its doors off in a straight line with the right non government issue parts for less money right?

There was never a suggestion that it was a better car - just potentially faster with a lot less mods. It is under your skin...