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Jeevin12 10-10-2017 01:35 AM

What needs to be done for a Daily Driven N54 Single Turbo 850whp
 
I know nothing about engines ok nothing is exaggerating but I recently got into this car building scene cuz I have nothing better to do with my time as a 19 year old high school dropout who works online xd

OK SO, basically I got my pure stage 2 turbos yesterday and their going to get installed once my inlets and outlets n fuel pump get here but know I am already looking at precision turbos n how much power a single turbo makes and I'm guessing these engines that are making 700+whp aren't on stock internals, so I was thinking about buying one of these: https://www.motivmotorsport.com/prod...ilt-motor-n54/

because I plan on keeping my 335i for a while and even if anything happens I'm going to stick with the n54 motor so I am going to buy an engine on the side to build and have ready to go in when my n54 blows. My 2007 335i engine has 72k miles on it right now. If I wanted to build an engine from scratch, Id be paying someone and labour would be extensive, so I am just wondering what id need

arhoads335i 10-10-2017 04:46 AM

An LS swap

mojo20032004 10-10-2017 05:58 AM

In before the deleted thread for throlling

luchocamp 10-10-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by arhoads335i (Post )
An LS swap

:)

Mr. T 10-10-2017 10:25 AM

You'd need another car

LessIsMore 10-10-2017 11:47 AM

The posts these last few days are just off the rails.

Don't feed the troll.

Jeevin12 10-11-2017 02:45 PM

What makes you guys think I'm trolling lol talk to me on discord if u think I'm lyin xd

Nitrousbird 10-11-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arhoads335i (Post )
An LS swap

+1.

defineste90 10-12-2017 11:52 AM

from what i see most guys running single turbos are still running stock motors, building might give you a longer life cycle but you never know

jordan313 10-12-2017 12:35 PM

easy. GTX55R on 91 octane and a jb4 should get you a reliable 900hp.

Vorsprung_CJB 10-12-2017 12:37 PM

What is your experience with high powered cars?

Even if you manage to make 850whp with extreme octane and tuning, you won't be daily driving it at that power level. And if you did it probably wouldn't be an enjoyable experience.

RSicks 10-12-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorsprung_CJB (Post )
....you won't be daily driving it at that power level. And if you did it probably wouldn't be an enjoyable experience.

That's what I was thinking as well. At that point its more race car or weekend fun runs than DD.

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Originally Posted by jordan313 (Post )
easy. GTX55R on 91 octane and a jb4 should get you a reliable 900hp.

I don't think "Reliable" and "900hp" should be used in the same sentence for a N54 quite yet.

N54QC 10-12-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RSicks (Post )
I don't think "Reliable" and "900hp" should be used in the same sentence for a N54 quite yet.

I think he was joking....or I seriously hope he was.

Terry @ BMS 10-12-2017 05:42 PM

What is the intended fuel? Straight E85? 87 octane? :)

ShocknAwe 10-12-2017 06:52 PM

Leaded 87. What else?

vr4spd 10-18-2017 11:23 AM

Some seriously deep pockets. Take that money and go buy a GTR. When I was a young adult I had a fully built 99 VR4 with straight turbo back 3inch exhaust 779WHP on the dyno. Every penny I had to keep the car running when I could. Cold starts forget about it. 3 alternators I think I went through, in line full pump huge ass turbos but man when it did start it would set off car alarms shake the neighbors windows it was a fun car when it ran but it was like everyone always says pick two .... Fast, reliable, cheap. If you have some money in your pocket and want some ridiculous fast turbo car my coworker is selling his one owner 1997 Turbo supra with 16k miles never modded all service records etc lol. GL

pysical 10-18-2017 02:59 PM

850 can be done on a stock block with single turbo. But you are on borrowed time. It could pop anytime. So if you plan on making that power you are looking at building your engine. Expect to pay around $15k minimum in parts.

Chris@VargasTurboTech 10-18-2017 07:25 PM

There really isn't such a thing, yet, as a reliable daily driver 3 liter with 850 whp. This is a very tall order.

Rain 10-19-2017 01:10 AM

Reliable will be hard for sure but still no one said anything about the motiv build motor. Is it worth the 15k$ for all options? (its whole another question that transmission ain't gonna be happy at all at those power levels)... As well as mentioned with normal fuel it will be close to impossible to reach such power haha

N54QC 10-19-2017 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain (Post )
Reliable will be hard for sure but still no one said anything about the motiv build motor. Is it worth the 15k$ for all options? (its whole another question that transmission ain't gonna be happy at all at those power levels)... As well as mentioned with normal fuel it will be close to impossible to reach such power haha

Reliable is achievable on a built engine with a really good tune. As long as the block is built right, the tune will be the main difference between a blown engine or not. Worth the $15k comes down to is it worth it to you to make that kind of power. Transmission wise, your options are MT, propulsive dynamics, 4l80e, or a powerglide, the latter requiring more modifications to make them work. As far as fuel, full E85 should do the trick and would require a stage 4 lpfp, a double barrel shotgun and PI.

LessIsMore 10-20-2017 07:42 AM

If you want 850 whp in a DD, that is even close to being semi-reliable, you need to forget about BMW's completely, anything with a 3.0L 6 cylinder, and start looking for something with a large V8 motor, can be twin turbo'd (or possibly large 2.4L+ SC), and beefed up transmission. Realistically, t's going to be a domestic car with an automatic, most likely.
That is really the only kind of platform that can do 800whp and be driven quasi-reliably, and probably not even then.
People always underestimate the gremlins that are introduced to an engine/car when you modify it so extensively.

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Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech (Post )
There really isn't such a thing, yet, as a reliable daily driver 3 liter with 850 whp. This is a very tall order.

+1 - does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Rain (Post )
Reliable will be hard for sure but still no one said anything about the motiv build motor. Is it worth the 15k$ for all options? (its whole another question that transmission ain't gonna be happy at all at those power levels)... As well as mentioned with normal fuel it will be close to impossible to reach such power haha

$15K engine in a car worth $7K?? Plus several more thousand for transmission and other drivetrain components you break. Can't see how that will ever make sense for anyone, except a shop's race car.

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Originally Posted by N54QC (Post )
Reliable is achievable on a built engine with a really good tune. As long as the block is built right, the tune will be the main difference between a blown engine or not. Worth the $15k comes down to is it worth it to you to make that kind of power. Transmission wise, your options are MT, propulsive dynamics, 4l80e, or a powerglide, the latter requiring more modifications to make them work. As far as fuel, full E85 should do the trick and would require a stage 4 lpfp, a double barrel shotgun and PI.

It essentially requires modifying the entire drivetrain to the point that the car is not really easy or practical to drive every day anymore.

AWSAWS 10-20-2017 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by arhoads335i (Post )
An LS swap

Correct! lol :slap

Cynical 10-20-2017 12:10 PM

Well the facts are that motiv has built several motors- So has ABR and a few others...

Where are they now ?;)

They either fade away into the sunset quietly, or go out with a bang.


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